Grieder von Rünenberg BL

[Rosi2018]

Suche weitere Informationen über die Linie "Grieder" aus Rünenberg.

Bisher bekannt sind mir folgende Daten:

Johannes Grieder, geb. am 06.05.1820 verheiratet mit Elisabeth Gass, geb. am 04.02.1822.
Eheschließung war am 13.02.1844 in Ormalingen.

Die Familie stammte aus Rünenberg.

Eltern von Johannes Grieder waren Abraham Heinrich Grieder und evtl. Verena Roth.
Eltern von Elisabeth Gass waren Heinrich Gaas und evtl. Elisabeth Roos

Johannes Grieder und Elisabeth Gaas hatten 7 Kinder.
Elisabeth * 1844, Emil * 1847, Rosina * 1849, Traugott * 1852, Bertha * 1857, Gottfried * 1861
und Ernst

Lieben Dank
Rosi
- Editiert von Nico am 23.01.2008, 15:43 -

[Thomas]

Im Staatsarchiv Basel-Landschaft sind nicht weniger als 14 verschiedene Wappen des alten, seit dem 15. Jahrhundert erwähnten Baselbieter Geschlechts hinterlegt. Jenes der Grieder von Rünenberg sieht so aus. Im Baselbieter Staatsarchiv, das Online durchforscht werden kann, finden sich auch viele Personeneinträge zu Grieder.

Gruss

Thomas

[Walter]

Hallo Rosi

Meine Grossmutter (Mutterlinie) hiess Martha GRIEDER, geboren 1877 (?), verheiratet (um 1900-1905) mit Gottfried Meier von Zunzgen BL, sie könnte also von den Rünenberg-Grieder abstammen. Passt diese Martha eventuell in Deine Datensammlung?

Beste Grüsse
Walter

[Georgius]

Hallo Walter. Grieder kommen alle von Rünenberg, das ist die
Urheimat der Grieder. (Ehemaliges Moor. Ried bei Rünenberg)
Also ein eindeutiger Herkunftsname. Jeanjean aus Frankreich, welcher hier schon verschieden Anfragen startete, besitzt umfassende Unterlagen über die Grieder .

Mit Forschergruss Georgius

[jeanjean]

Hallo Rosi !
Je possède le relevé de toute la descendance depuis l'ancêtre de Johannes (geb. am 6.5.1820), c'est-à-dire depuis 1500 jusqu'en 1820.
Quels sont tes liens avec notre famille ?
Je peux t'adresser une copie de mes relevés par courrier à l'adresse que tu voudra bien m'indiquer par mail.
En cas de difficultés tu peux demander à Nico une traduction

Grüsse
Jeanjean
Ich besitze eine Liste mit alle Vorfahren ab unserem Vorfahren Johannes (geb. am 6.5.1820), d.h. von 1500 bis 1820.
Wie bist Du mit unserer Linie verwandt?
Ich schicke dir gerne eine Kopie meiner Liste per Post. Per Email kannst Du mir ja Dein postalische Anschrift zukommen lassen.
- Editiert von Nico am 28.01.2008, 21:09 -

[jeanjean]

Hallo Walter !

Comme pour Rosi, je possède également pour toi, le même relevé de la famille Grieder depuis l'origine connue.
En ce qui te concerne, je connais tes liens avec la famille Grieder depuis environ 13 ans, car j'ai eu à cette époque l'occasion de correspondre avec une des filles d'Alfred, frère de Martha.
J'aimerais connaitre la descendance de Wilhelm, Milchhandler, autre frère de Martha, aurais-tu des renseignements à ce sujet ?
Tu peux me répondre en allemand !
J'aimerai bien te rencontrer à Zunzgen pour te remettre une copie de mes documents et pour comparer ceux-ci avec tes documents

Grüsse
Jeanjean
Auch für Walter halte ich eine Kopie der Nachkommen der Grieder-Linie bereit.
Ich weiß seit ca 13 Jahren, wie Du mit der Grieder-Linie verwandt bist, da ich damals mit Martha korrespondierte, einer Tochter von Alfred.
Mich würden die Nachkommen von Wilhelm, Milchhändler, Bruder von Martha, interessieren. Hättest Du dazu Informationen für mich?
Du kannst mir gerne auf Deutsch antworten.
Ich würde dich gerne in Zunzgen treffen, um dir eine Kopie meiner Dokumente zu geben, damit Du sie mit Deinen Informationen vergleichen kannst.
- Editiert von Nico am 28.01.2008, 21:15 -

[Walter]

Hallo Jeanjean

Wegen den Sprachproblemen D/F sende ich dir meine Antwort per E-Mail!

Beste Grüsse
Walter

[Wolf]

Angaben zur mütterlichen Line Gass von Rothenfluh bitte hier weiter diskutieren.

[hampt]

meine Deutsch ist nischt gut, Sprechensee English?

I am looking for information on Joggi Grieder , called Weaver Elsi's Joggi.
release from payments due.
Barbara Grieder, Pfieffer Hans Joggi,s daughter, called Pfeifferli, his wife.
There children
1. Johanees baptised jan 16 1746
2. hans joggi baptised sept 2 1747
and another child with no name or baptismal date, it just says he was livng in bern with his brother in law.
it says they went to carolina.
i think barbara grieder is her married name and her maiden name is Pheiffer and she is the daughter of hans joggi pfieffer and anna moschinger. she would have been born 1716. as there was another daughter born 1713 and died in 1713, her name was also barbara.
this barbara had a brother in north carolina named martin pfieffer/phifer. i think this hans joggi gireder is my jacob crider. can nayone please help with finding information on this family.
Thank you so much - Angie in Phoenix Arizona USA
- Editiert von Wolf am 26.09.2008, 23:13 -

[hampt]

Hallo - mein Name ist Angie und mein Deutsch ist nicht sehr gut [korrigiert von Wolf]. Ich suche Informationen zu Joggi/Jacob Grieder von Rünenberg BL; laut Albert Fausts Buch war er verheiratet mit Barbara Pfeiffer von Häfelfingen BL, vmtl. 1716 geboren als Tochter von Hans Joggi Pfeiffer und Anna Möschinger; die Familie wanderte 1749 nach Amerika aus. 3 Kinder sind bekannt: die beiden älteren verstarben wie der Vater 1784; überlebt wurden sie von Hans Joggi Grieder, der am 02. Sep. 1747 getauft worden war.

Ich suche die Geburtsdaten der beiden älteren Kinder sowie eine Bestätigung der Eltern von Barbara Pfeiffer. Auch jede andere Unterstützung bei meiner Forschung wird dankbar entgegen genommen.

Ich lebe in Arizona und habe einige Erfahrung mit der Familienforschung in den USA: ich bin gerne bereit, im Gegenzug hier zu helfen.

- Editiert von Wolf am 26.09.2008, 23:08 -

[jeanjean]

Hallo Angie
Je suis en mesure de te transmettre ton ascendance de Suisse à compter du mariage d'Heinrich Grieder ton ancêtre, je prépare ce document que je joindrai dans une prochaine correspondance dans ce forum.
Peux-tu me transmettre les documents que tu possèdes sur la descendance aux USA de Jacob Grieder et Barbara Grieder (Pfeifferli)
Merci et à bientot

Jean Pierre GRIEDER

[Nico]

Translation of Jean-Pierre´s posting

Hello Angie,
I will prepare a descendant chart of your ancestor Heinrich Grieder and attach it to a posting.
Could you please send me your documents on the descendants of Jacob and Barabara Grieder?

Thank you,
Jean Pierre Grieder

[jeanjean]

Hallo Angie !

Voici ci-joint la descendance de tes ancêtres grieder en Suisse. Etant moi-même interessé par l'histoire de toutes les familles grieder tant en Suisse que de par le monde, il me serait agréable de ta part de recevoir la suite de ce document sur le sol américain en y précisant les lieux de résidence et les dates correspondantes aux divers évenements.

Si tu a collecté des renseignements sur d'autres familles grieder aux USA je suis également interessé.

Pourrais-tu également, peut-être après une recherche, me renseigner sur le devenir de la famille d'un de mes ancêtres sur le sol américain ? Cette famille a quitté la Suisse son village de KÄNERKINDEN via BASEL à destination de l'Amérique en avil 1816. Il s'agit de :
Martin Grieder 51 ans
Vereva Ammann, son épouse
et de leurs 4 enfants :
Elisabeth 23 ans
Heinrich 20 ans
Martin 14 ans
Anna 11 ans

Je ne comprends pas l'anglais et il m'est très difficile d'interroger des sites américains, mais par ce forum et par l'aimable collaboration des administrateurs traducteurs je devrais pouvoir avancer dans ce domaine.

Merci d'avance, à bientôt
Jean Pierre Grieder

[Nico]

Translation to English of Jean Pierre’s posting

Hello Angie,
please find attached to my posting [above!] a descendants’ chart of your Grieder ancestors in Switzerland. As I am myself very much interested in any Grieder genealogy, I would be grateful if you could give me the information you have on the Grieder lines in the US.

My special interest concerns the following family. They left the village of Känerkinden via Basel in April 1816:

Martin Grieder 51 years old
Vereva Ammann, his spouse
and their 4 children:
- Elisabeth 23 y.
- Heinrich 20 y.
- Martin 14 y.
- Anna 11 y.

Thank you.
Jean Pierre
- Editiert von Wolf am 25.10.2008, 17:34 -

[angie hampt]

I am trying to prove that joggi greider form runnenberg came to america to live with his uncle martin pfeifer my regualr email address is [deleted] i have lots of leads and could use any help on this, i live in the usa and my german is not so fluent but i can translate a little bit. i have an ancestor named jacob crider who died in 1809 in north carolina he lived on the plantation of martin pfeifer who was from runenberg. jacobs wife was name was barbara but we dont know her last name, also the crider family bible had the name greitter written in it, can anyone help.... thank you angie illinios usa 618 250 3007 1312 marthel street collinsville il usa

[angie hampt]

Jean Pierre
my email address is [deleted] please email me and i will give you everything i have and maybe i can invite you to my yahoo groups where i have many documents and photos i think we can help each other alot angie in usa

[angie hampt]

my line in the usa goes as follows
jacob crider died 1809
daniel crider born 1765 in carrabus county, north carolina usa he died 1842 in gasconade county missouri usa he married barbara
they had several children but i come from two of their sons
james crider who was born in gasconade county missouri usa in 1799 and died there in 1871 he was married to meeky owens and his brother abraham crider who married mary polly owens .
james and meeky had samuel dallas crider 1846 to 1937 he married minerva haynes and they had sardenia catherine crider 1864-1937 she married herman henry clay redden and had joseph edwin redden 1894 to 1970 he married flora ida isabelle mckinney who was the daughter of thomas mckinney and melissa crider 1860-1936, melissas parents were william wig wig crider 1834-1906 he was married to mary e yates williams parents abraham and mary polly that i spoke of up above... jospeh edwin redden and flora mckinney were my great grandparents and were thrid cousins, they both come form the crider family. my grandfather was auburn redden 1919 -1995 my mother was donna rae redden 1956-2010 i was born in 1975.

we have lots of reason to believe that joggi greider (one of the joggi greiders from runnenberg is ours. martin pfeifers sister barbara ha never been claimed in any family tree that i have seen... joggi greider is on the passenger list as coming to carolina .... i have many documents , if anyone knows anyone who would be willing to do a dna test to see if there is a match my cousin bill crider has done one already and would pay for one to be done ....i am willing to share all the info and documents i have with anyone who is interested just email me thank you so very much.....

[angie hampt]

i have these yahoo groups with lots of different information on my criders in the usa lots of pictures if you can join yahoo here is the link for the two groups
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theycamet ... adecounty/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Mecklenbu ... rusCounty/

[angie hampt]

maybe someone can help me with this i found this post of my cousins on line and he has apparently gotten further on the tree than the rest of us and is not sharing his findings can anyone help me with this ??


"I am descended from Hans Jakob Grieder from Rünenberg and Barbara Pfeiffer from nearby Hafelfingen, Baselland, Switzerland, both of which are near Gelterkinden, such that all these towns attended the same church in Kilchberg. I have been unable to trace back my Grieders over the border to nearby Baden Württemberg, Germany, but it appears possible, even probable, that my line is somehow related to this Martin Grieder from Fahrnau am Wiese. My Hans Jakob Grieder immigrated to America and became "Joggi" Crider in Cabarrus Co, NC. David Crider..

[dz]

[...] Ich besitze eine Liste mit alle Vorfahren ab unserem Vorfahren Johannes (geb. am 6.5.1820), d.h. von 1500 bis 1820. [...]

Hallo jeanjean,

ich habe einen Jacob GRIEDER, * 1522/1529 in Sissach - Galli Grieder, + 04.02.1560 Diegten - Anna Grieder, * 23.50.1581 Sissach oo Jacob SCHAMPER aus Sissach. Ist diese Abstammung richtig ?

[angie hampt]

my friend posted this several years ago
To all of you who are interested in Hans Jacob Grieder/Greiter/Greider who immigrated in 1736 on the ship Princess Augusta/Augustus, with his 3rd wife, Barbara Christen, and two older boys, Marti, born 1717, and Fred/Fridlin, born 1719, I have some shocking news that I'm surprised has not surfaced before in regard to John Marsh's 1985 article found in v.8 of the Pennsylvania Mennonite Heritage Magazine which so many people like to use as a reference.

Background: John Marsh's article is a brilliant attempt to disentangle the GREITERS/KREIDERS from other Grieders/Griders/Gryders/Criders/Cryders (pick a spelling!)--an argument that has raged for over 80 years now, in part perpetrated by the Greiter/Kreider study group of 1929-1934. In his actual body of work, John Marsh did a good job in using source documents. However, he made a fatal mistake in regard to the North Carolina Griders in his early assumptions of this work--at least, that's what it looks like when one actually checks John Marsh's work, and goes to his cited sources.

John Marsh claimed that Albert FAUST, in his work in Swiss immigrants, stated that Joggie Grieder was a quiet farmer in North Carolina and his wife reported his death and the deaths of two older children in 1754. Well, there was a Joggie Grieder in North Carolina.....

however, John Marsh tried to associate THESE DEATHS AND GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION (which actually belong to a Hans Jacob GRIEDER who was married to Barbara PFEIFFER--see below) to the Hans Jacob GRIEDER and Marti and Fridlin who immigrated in 1736 on the Princess Augustus.

Herein lies what appears to be the significant error! The Joggie Greider who died somewhere in North Carolina--probably near/in Mecklenberg County was this person: Hans Jacob GRIEDER, husband of Barbara PFEIFFER! This Hans Jacob GRIEDER also hailed from Ruhenberg. However, his wife was NOT Barbara CHRISTEN, it was Barb PFEIFFER and her father was Hans Jacob PFEIFFER, and he had had a brother who had immigrated some time before to SOUTH Carolina and who had done quite well for himself. Albert Faust SPECIFICALLY STATED UNDER THE ENTRY FOR GRIEDER AND PFEIFFER, i.e., that the Hans Jacob GRIEDER, who was the husband of Barbara PFEIFFER, was the Joggie Grider who was a quiet farmer in NC and whose wife reported his death in 1754. See these pages in Faust's book: 142, 144, 189, and you will see the exact data I have posted.

Normally, this kind of an error wouldn't mean much, and I'm sure it DOESN'T mean much to the Ittlingen GREITER/KREIDERS. However, to those GRIDERS/GRYDERS/CRIDERS/CRYDERS of PA, VA, NC, etc., this was a critical mistake! We could have searched for the rest of our genealogical days, if we had kept the mindset of Joggie GRIEDER who immigrated in 1736 as going directly to North Carolina.

In trying to assess how this happened, i.e., that John Marsh would jump from one Hans Jacob GRIEDER to another, the only thing I can come up with is this: they were both from Ruhnenberg/Runenberg. Unfortunately, in checking with Swiss genealogists, I found out that the name in Switzerland was a little like trying to uncover a list of dozens of "John Smiths" in any place in America, i.e., it was a very, very common name, and villages, especially in places like Basel, etc., were riddled with this name.

What does this discovery mean?

1) It means that those of us who think the 1736 GRIEDER males are "ours" no longer have to work under the assumption that the 55 yo Joggie who landed in 1736 died as a farmer in NC...which goes completely against what the Griders from our side and "the famous Henry" side show for births places of his grandchildren, etc.

2) It means that those GREDERS/CRATERS and some CRIDERS/KRIDERS of north-to-south central North Carolina now have a new lead: Check for PFEIFFER/PHIFER connections. Look in OLD Rowan, Mecklenberg, even as far north as Surry Counties.

(For my own genealogy, my current assumption/hypothesis is this: The Frederick/Fridlin, b. 1715, and the Martin, b. 1717, who came on the Prin. Aug. with their 55 yo father, may possibly end up to be the ancestors of:

1) Martin, b. 1717: the GRIDERS who stayed in Virginia until going to TN and KY, i.e., the famous Henry Grider who married a Smith, and his brother, Jacob who married Rebecca Henton/Hinton, and who may have had brothers named John, Martin, etc. AND,

2) that Frederick/Fridlin, b. 1715, is the ancestor of at least some of our Burke County, NC, GRIDERS/CRIDERS (not including the Rowan county Criders)/GRYDERS, such as John Grider/m. Isabel Blair; Valentine, Jacob/m. E. Rippetoe, etc.

This, of course, all has to be proven, but is makes a lot more sense than some of the genealogies I've read out there, e.g., all of the different Martins from various families I see us attached to like the one that claims our ancestor is a Martin, no birthdate, but when checked, he was born in about 1762, etc., as well as a dearth of other Martins born anywhere from 1706 to 1742.

Both GRIDER branches are rife with vague, unproven ancestors, including linkages to the Itllingen GREITERS--even though none of that is provable, and some researchers have even ignored stated ages/birth dates of some of the Ittlingen GREITERS versus this Hans Jacob GRIEDER of 1736, explicity listed as age 55 (b. 1681).

I suppose it could end up to be true that some of us or all of us concerned with this issue end up to be Ittlingen GREITERS, but there are still many immigrants and areas to check in VA, PA, MD, SC first, before assuming that this Hans Jacob GRIEDER was in any close way related to:

Hans and Anna GREITER, who imm. shortly after their nephews, Michael GREITER/GRUETTER/GRITTOR and his next youngest brother, H. Jacob GREITER, with these three comprising the earliest known GREITER immigrants documented for this particular area of Lancaster.

[angie hampt]

I found three Jacobs in that part of NC. Each of them spelled their names various ways in various documents. But it works out well to designate them thus:
Jacob Grider lived in Burke Co, NC and I assume from what you wrote that he is your ancestor.
Jacob Krider lived in Salisbury, Rowan Co NC and is the son of Barnabas Krider who was born in Lancaster PA. Barnabas was one of several brothers who came to Rowan Co and became a prominent family. In the original editions of The Descendents of Daniel Crider, Sr (published by The House of Crider, of which I am current Editor and Historian) it was assumed by my predecessors that this Jacob Krider was the same as Jacob Crider, Jr., son of our ancestor. This was based on many assumptions that seemed reasonable at the time, but have been proven false by the well-documented research of Jo Linn White.
Jacob Crider, Sr. - my ancestor - and had a life-long association with the Martin Pfeiffer/Phifer family. He was the witness on many land transactions the Phifers engaged in, and apparently lived on the Phifer Cold Water plantation. Much to our loss, the Phifer family records were all destroyed in a fire, and the church records of the church they attended are also lost. There is also a Sally Kreider Misenheimer in the area who was likely (not proven) Jacob's sister. The Phifer family settled in Mecklenberg Co, NC, and were instrumental in forming Cabarrus Co from part of it. George Washington and Governor Tryon both visited in their home. Their prominence in the area for over 100 years is well documented. My Jacob Crider Sr. died in 1809, so my current speculation is that he was the son of the "quiet farmer" Joggie Greider and his wife Barb Pfeiffer. This might make Martin Pfeiffer/Phifer his first cousin, explaining their lifelong relationship.
The primary result of my trip last summer was a conviction that to find the Mecklenburg/Cabarrus Criders, I will need to research the Pfeiffer/Phifers.

[lori]

Meine UR-UR GROSMUTTER hiess Margaretha Grieder ca.1820 geboren
verheiratet mit Johannes Gisin aus Langenbrueck (BL).
Hat jemans angaben zu diesen Grieders.

[angie hampt]

i am trying to find anything that proves jacob crider died 1809 in cabarrus county north carolina was the son of joggi grieder and barbara pfiefer/pfifer von runenberg, .... meine deutsch is nicht mere serh gute, meine mutter ist von die bondensea und meine vater ist from die usa . meine vater var in der airforce . ven eine kind ich hat beine meine deutsch var besser abber nicht gute deutsch lol