Schwab von Siselen BE

[Bodani]

Hallo,

meine schweizer Linie konzentriert sich hauptsächlich auf den Kanton Bern.

Ich bin an einem Austausch interessiert, eventuell kann ich ja jemanden weiterhelfen oder umgekehrt.

Daniel
Schwab Siselen Bern Schweiz 1600 RN 1197

[dbrandt]

Bonjour,

Je cherche les ascendants de Marie SCHWAB (1825-1882) mariée à Jacob DYSLI (1832-1902) ainsi que tout ce qui les concerne (dates et lieu mariage, décès....)
D'une manière générale, quels moyens simples et peu couteux de faire des recherches en Suisse ?
merci d'avance

Daniel BRANDT

[Walter]

Je cherche les ascendants de Marie SCHWAB (1825-1882) mariée à Jacob DYSLI (1832-1902) ainsi que tout ce qui les concerne (dates et lieu mariage, décès....)

Hallo Daniel
Die Heirat von Maria Schwab mit Jakob Dysli (von Wynigen) war am 30.09.1854 in Siselen.

[Sferick57]

Bonjour. Je cherche les racines d’Alfred SCHWAB qui vraisemblablement originaire de Siselen (canton de Berne) ou il a dû être né environs 1870. Il s’est marié environs 1890 vraisemblablement à Kerzers / Chietres avec Rosina PFISTER (née le 14 novembre 1874 à Kerzers ; décédée le 12 novembre 1919 à Villeneuve canton de Vaud). Ils se sont divorcés en avril 1905 (canton de Vaud). Alfred est décédé le 11 avril 1926 en Suisse (je ne sais pas où exactement). Ce couple avait deux enfants dont Anna SCHWAB (née le 26 juillet 1893 à Kerzers) et Johann Alfred SCHWAB (né le 9 avril 1896, probablement à Kerzers). Je suis bloqué depuis bien longtemps sur cet individu ayant essayé toutes les ressources disponibles ici aux Etats-Unis. Je suppose qu’il y aurait des informations utiles dans l’acte de mariage mais je ne les ai pas encore trouvés. Merci d’avance pour toute aide que vous pourrez apporter.
Amicalement,
Scott ERICKSON
Californie, USA

Hallo. Ich suche nach den Wurzeln von Alfred Schwab, der vermutlich aus Siselen (Kanton Bern) stammte und dort um 1870 geboren wurde. Er heiratete um 1890, wahrscheinlich in Kerzers/Chiètres, Rosina Pfister (geb. 14. November 1874 in Kerzers; gest. 12. November 1919 in Villeneuve, Kanton Waadt). Die Ehe wurde im April 1905 (Kanton Waadt) geschieden. Alfred starb am 11. April 1926 in der Schweiz (der genaue Ort ist mir nicht bekannt). Das Paar hatte zwei Kinder: Anna Schwab (geb. 26. Juli 1893 in Kerzers) und Johann Alfred Schwab (geb. 9. April 1896, vermutlich in Kerzers). Ich komme bei der Suche nach dieser Person schon lange nicht weiter und habe bereits alle verfügbaren Ressourcen hier in den Vereinigten Staaten ausgeschöpft. Ich nehme an, dass die Heiratsurkunde nützliche Informationen enthält, aber ich habe sie noch nicht gefunden. Vielen Dank im Voraus für jede Hilfe.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Scott ERICKSON
Kalifornien, USA

Hello. I am searching for the roots of Alfred Schwab, who was likely from Siselen (Canton of Bern), where he was probably born around 1870. He married around 1890, likely in Kerzers/Chietres, to Rosina Pfister (born November 14, 1874, in Kerzers; died November 12, 1919, in Villeneuve, Canton of Vaud). They divorced in April 1905 (Canton of Vaud). Alfred died on April 11, 1926, in Switzerland (I don't know the exact location and I do not have his actual death record). This couple had two children: Anna Schwab (born July 26, 1893, in Kerzers) and Johann Alfred Schwab (born April 9, 1896, probably in Kerzers). I have been stuck on this individual for a long time, having tried all the resources available here in the United States. I suppose there would be useful information in the marriage certificate but I haven't found it yet. Thank you in advance for any help you can provide.
Kind regards,
Scott ERICKSON
California, USA

[Wolf]

I have found 4 Alfred Schwab around 1870: 07.06.1867, 11.06.1871, 27.06.1872, 04.09.1873.
The "younger" ones are unlikley to have married 1890. The problem is that the digitized church records end 1875 - no marriage 1890 can be checked.

Have you tried to contact the relevant Zivilstandsamt and asked if your Alfred Schwab can be identified?

[Walter]

You might be able to get the marriage certificate from the parish of Siselen-Finsterhennen.
I would simply ask Pastor Beat Hänggi (Link).

[Sferick57]

I have found 4 Alfred Schwab around 1870: 07.06.1867, 11.06.1871, 27.06.1872, 04.09.1873.
The "younger" ones are unlikley to have married 1890. The problem is that the digitized church records end 1875 - no marriage 1890 can be checked.

Have you tried to contact the relevant Zivilstandsamt and asked if your Alfred Schwab can be identified?

Thank you for your quick response and information, Wolf. These are all possible candidates although you are probably correct that the younger ones are unlikely to have become a father by 1893. Alfred's wife, Rosa Pfister, was born in Nov 1872 in Kerzers, so I am probably looking for someone born in that same year or earlier. It seems as though the marriage record will hold the key to Alfred's identity so I will try contacting the Zivilstandsamt as a next step. I truly appreciate your advice and assistance.

[Sferick57]

You might be able to get the marriage certificate from the parish of Siselen-Finsterhennen.
I would simply ask Pastor Beat Hänggi (Link).

Thank you for this excellent advice, Walter. I will try to contact Pastor Beat Hänggi. I believe that the only way to identify the correct Alfred Schwab is to locate his marriage certificate with Rosa Pfister which is probably circa-1892 in either Siselen or Kerzers. I appreciate your kind response and assistance.

[Sferick57]

You might be able to get the marriage certificate from the parish of Siselen-Finsterhennen.
I would simply ask Pastor Beat Hänggi (Link).

Thank you for this excellent advice, Walter. I will try to contact Pastor Beat Hänggi. I believe that the only way to identify the correct Alfred Schwab is to locate his marriage certificate with Rosa Pfister which is probably circa-1892 in either Siselen or Kerzers. I appreciate your kind response and assistance.

One more thought, Walter - would you happen to have a similar contact for Kerzers (FR)? Thanks.

[Wolf]

I have found 4 Alfred Schwab around 1870: 07.06.1867, 11.06.1871, 27.06.1872, 04.09.1873.

Just in case you have not realised this: these links lead you directly to the digital baptismal records .

[Walter]

One more thought, Walter - would you happen to have a similar contact for Kerzers (FR)? Thanks.

Here is the relevant website
And a possible contact person
Good luck!

[Peter.D]

Hello Scott,

After 1875, marriages taking place outside the parish of the Heimatgemeinde were no longer always recorded in the parish registers of the couple’s home villages - because those registers no longer had any civil registry significance. So if the pastors in Siselen or Kerzers recommended by Walter are unable to help, you could request a copy or an extract from the Siselen family registers (Burger-Rodel) which have been kept since about 1822 and are now mostly preserved at the regional civil registry offices. The office in Biel will inform you of the costs and other conditions in advance.

On the baptismal records identified by Wolf earlier today, the applicable volume of the register with the family number or page is always listed on the right, e.g. "II 157" for the parents of Alfred, born 1867 in Marin (Canton of Neuchâtel). On that page, next to child Alfred there is then a reference to the page for the Schwab-Pfister family. With this information and all the names you know, the office should be able to quickly locate the relevant pages in the registry..

Siselen, Kerzers, and Marin are very close to one another.

Peter

[Sferick57]

Thank you, Peter, for this additional advice which will help me to better understand the church records. I will also try to contact the regional civil registry office once I have a clear and organized request for information. Once again, your kind assistance is greatly appreciated.

[Peter.D]

The initial compilation of the family registers in 1822 was carried out under the direction and supervision of the parish pastor. However, all subsequent updates and amendments had to be made by the local municipality (then known as the Burgergemeinde), and no longer by the parish. The municipalities kept these records in their offices or archives until at least 1928. After that, most of them - though not all - were transferred to the civil registry offices.

Peter