Petit à Saint-Brais JU

[boris5783]

Bonsoir
je recherche deux actes de naissance
- Marie Josephe HANSER / HANTZER née vers 1784 à Saint-Brais et peut-être mariée aussi à Saint-Brais avec PETIT François (ca 1770 - 1818), charbonnier à Lucelle (Haut-Rhin) ; elle est décédée à Cernay (Haut-Rhin - FRANCE) le 02/10/1823.

- leur fils aîné : François Joseph PETIT, né le 21/11/1802 à Saint-Brais

Merci par avance pour vos réponses

Bien cordialement,

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urspr. Titel: RECHERCHE ACTES DE NAISSANCE - Marie Josephe HANSER / HANTZER ET François Joseph PETIT nés A SAINT-BRAIS

[Peter.D]

Bonsoir Boris,

Il semble y avoir peu d'entrées pour les Hauzer, Hanzer, Hantzer ainsi que les Petit à Saint-Brais. Les registres paroissiaux et les actes d'état civil de la période française (1794-1814) sont disponibles sous forme numérique sur FamilySearch, mais malheureusement uniquement dans un centre mormon. Il existe également une base de données auprès de la CGAEB, mais elle est payante.

Voir également ici.

Peter

[boris5783]

Merci Peter pour votre retour.
Effectivement, c'est payant pour la Suisse. Je vais voir si je peux me déplacer dans un centre mormon à proximité de chez moi.

Bien cordialement,

[Debra Palmer]

Hello Boris,

There is a baptismal record for a Marie Josephe Hantzer in 1784 in the parish register of Saint-Brais. The page has some damage, however, it is fortunate that the year and the names of the child's parents are readable.

You had mentioned (above) the birth date of 21/11/1802 for Francois Joseph Petit, the son of Francois and Marie Josephe Hantzer. So, I checked the parish registers of Saint-Braisborn around 1802, and did not see a baptismal record for Francois Joseph. Then checked the civil registration of Saint-Brais and still did not see a birth record around 1802 for him, however, there is a Francois Joseph Petit in the index of births for the year 1811 (I may have read the year incorrectly as 1811 since I cannot read French, except for some key words). See attachments below.

Debra

Corrected: As Peter.D explained (see his post from 21.10.), “During the French period, the authorities in Jura had to use the (highly sophisticated) Revolutionary Calendar (until 1805 only). The two dates are therefore: … Birth: 30 brumaire 11 = november 21, 1802.” My reading of Francois Joseph Petit’s year of birth as 1811 is incorrect - the year is actually: 1802.

Copies from FamilySearch.

[Debra Palmer]

There is a marriage record in the civil registration of Saint-Brais for a Francois Petit and Marie Josephe Hantzer in 1810 (the register contains a ten-year index of marriages, which lists the names of this couple).

Corrected: As Peter.D explained (see his post from 21.10.), “During the French period, the authorities in Jura had to use the (highly sophisticated) Revolutionary Calendar (until 1805 only). The two dates are therefore: Marriage: 18 brumaire 10 = november 9, 1801 ... .” My reading of Francois Petit and Marie Josephe Hantzer’s year of marriage as 1810 is incorrect - the year is actually: 1801.

Copy from FamilySearch.

[Peter.D]

During the French period, the authorities in Jura had to use the (highly sophisticated) Revolutionary Calendar (until 1805 only).
The two dates are therefore:
Marriage: 18 brumaire 10 = november 9, 1801
Birth: 30 brumaire 11 = november 21, 1802

In the baptism record from 1784, I'm not sure about the two words between Farré (today Farez) and in Cesay (today Césai). Can anyone help?

The CGAEB database also contains a birth record for Hanzer (Hautzer, Henzer etc.) in 1799 (republican year 7 or 8) and a death record in 1811, recorded in at least the civil registers kept by the mayor. According to this database, there were 3 births Hanzer between 1783 und 1790 listed in the parish registers. Perhaps the origin of the Hanzer family is also mentioned in it.

Peter

[Debra Palmer]

Hello Peter,

I read the linked Wiki page about the “French Republican calendar” and thought it was interesting and helpful. Thank you for converting the two dates (marriage and birth). On both of my posts (from 20.10.), I have added a new note and edited each “file comment” to reflect the correct dates. Thank you very much again for your help.

[Debra Palmer]

The CGAEB database also contains a birth record for Hanzer (Hautzer, Henzer etc.) in 1799 (republican year 7 or 8) and a death record in 1811, recorded in at least the civil registers kept by the mayor. According to this database, there were 3 births Hanzer between 1783 und 1790 listed in the parish registers. Perhaps the origin of the Hanzer family is also mentioned in it.

The CGAEB database that Peter suggested is useful with it's "transcription of civil and parish registers." I looked up the records listed above, plus a few other ones in that database. Copies of those records have been added to Hanser / Hantzer in Saint-Brais JU.

[boris5783]

Hello Debra

Thank you so much for all this research, excellent !
The archivist of the canton of Jura sent me the attached baptismal certificate of Marie Josephe from 1784 and found nothing concerning the marriage of François PETIT and documents relating to their son Pierre Joseph in St. Brais JU.
Have you been to a FamilySearch Center for the documents ?

Thank you again

Best regards

Boris

[boris5783]

Hello Peter

Thank you for your help and explanations given to Debra regarding the French Revolutionary Calendar.

A major advance in the family tree

Best regards

Boris

[Debra Palmer]

Hello Debra

... The archivist of the canton of Jura sent me the attached baptismal certificate of Marie Josephe from 1784 and found nothing concerning the marriage of François PETIT and documents relating to their son Pierre Joseph in St. Brais JU.
Have you been to a FamilySearch Center for the documents ?

Hello Boris

Yes, I went to a FamilySearch Center for the documents. I don't know French and before looking up the documents of Saint-Brais, I had done only a little bit of research with documents in French or in Latin. So, the help and explanations from Wolf, Peter.D and other contributors on this forum helps me to learn and improve.

Best regards
Debra

[boris5783]

Many thanks , Debra

Now , I will continue my research on the PETIT family on the French side following the marriage certificate you found.

Best Regards

Boris

[VERMOT DESROCHES]

bonjour
dans l'acte de mariage à St-Brais du 9 nov. 1801 ou 18 brumaire an 10, François PETIT est né à Seloncourt (dans la forêt) https://portail-archives.doubs.fr/ark:/ ... 7e5dfb328b
que vous trouverez en ligne sur le site des archives du Doubs, les parents Jean Baptiste PETIT et Marie MANET se sont mariés à Saulnot (France Haute-Saône) acte en ligne, le 31/08/1767, puis Rougemont le château (France Territoire de Belfort) et bien d'autres lieux. Ce sont des charbonniers qui se déplaçaient en fonction des marchés des forges, fonderies et verreries, donc difficiles à suivre, seuls les relevés systématiques d'actes permettent de les retrouver.
Marie Joseph HANSER est née le 1er aout 1783 à St-Brais fille de François et Anne Marie FARREZ mariés le 26 nov. 1782 au même lieu.
Ne vous posez pas de questions sur les actes en double, avec des dates différentes, nous n'avons pas d'explication , tout a été relevé dans la base du CGAEB pour être sûr de n'avoir rien oublié mais il est facile de voir les incohérences.
Joseph HANSER s'est marié une 1ère fois à Miécourt, il était donc veuf en 1782 comme indiqué dans l'acte, et dans le 1er mariage il est originaire de la paroisse de St-Blaise en Alsace, où il serait né vers 1738.
L'ascendance d'Anne Marie FARREZ (ou autres orthographes) est connue et tous les actes sont relevés dans la base du CGAEB. La partie la plus ancienne de St-Brais n'a pas été microfilmée par les mormons, le registre en mauvais état n'était pas disponible.
voilà de quoi bien occuper 2026
René Vermot-Desroches
CGAEB , CEGFC ...

[Peter.D]

Il existe également un sujet dédié aux Hanser, avec une explication possible concernant les registres paroissiaux parallèles de Saint-Brais.

Peter

[VERMOT DESROCHES]

oui Peter, désolé, mais avec un mariage c'est difficile de dissocier les explications, maintenant vous pouvez repartir sur HANSER , "baptisé dans la paroisse de Saint-Blaise"

René