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Es tut mir leid, aber ich spreche kein Deutsch. Ich benutze einen Internet-Übersetzer, um diesen Brief zu schreiben.

Ich bin auf der Suche nach der Familie meines Urgrossvaters Joseph Johann DURRER aus Kerns, OW.

Mein Urgroßvater Joseph Johann DURRER geboren 1892 in Halten, Kerns, OW. Heiratete Kreszenzia RICHENBERGER am 22. Oktober 1916 oder 1917 in Luzern. Sie kamen im Jahr 1937 nach Kanada.

Ich habe einen Stammbaum aus der Schweiz, der eine ancestrale Linie so nachzeichnet:

Er war der Sohn von Melk Josef DURRER (geb. 12. Juni 1850, Halten - gest. 1907) und Carolina SCHMIDT.

Melk Josef war der Sohn von Balz DURRER aus Brenners, Deutschland und Franziska FANGER aus Sarnen, OW. Ich glaube nicht, dass sie verheiratet waren. Balz war Soldat. Franziska war wegen Verstoßes gegen die Sittengesetze im Gefängnis. Sie war eine Uhrmacherin. Familie unbekannt.

Balz war der Sohn von Hans Balz DURRER (1739-1817) aus Brenners, Deutschland, und Anna Maria WENNINGER.

Hans Balz war der Sohn von Hans Balz DURRER (1704-1799) aus St. Niklaus, Halten und Margaretha DESCHWANDEN.

Hans Balz war der Sohn von Anton DURRER (1655-1730) aus St. Niklaus, Halten, und Anna Maria EGGER.

Anton war der Sohn von Hans DURRER (1621- ), Weidli-St. Anton, Kerns, und Margareta von ROTZ von Unteregg-Dietried, Kerns.

Können Sie mir sagen, wie ich diese Familie erforschen und Unterlagen für meine familiengeschichtliche Forschung beschaffen kann? Ich kann sie nicht persönlich besuchen, da ich in Kanada lebe. Ich bin gerne bereit, eine Gebühr für diese Dienstleistung zu bezahlen oder wenn Sie mir einen Agenten empfehlen können, der in meinem Namen forscht. Das Archiv Obwalden und das Gemeindearchiv Kerns konnten keine Unterlagen zur Verfügung stellen.

Herzlichen Dank!

Laury Walkey
Britisch-Kolumbien, Kanada

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First of all: welcome to the forum !

polgara hat geschrieben: Fr 5. Nov 2021, 21:06Das Archiv Obwalden und das Gemeindearchiv Kerns konnten keine Unterlagen zur Verfügung stellen.

What exactly was their response? They didn't find any info (which would surprise me) or they don't have the time to extract information and/or do further research for you?

There are e.g. Stammbuch der Gemeinde Kerns or Stammblätter der Familien Durrer und von Flüe. Unfortunately none of this is online.

You seem to already have your ancestors' line back to the 17th century. What is the aim of your further research ... more information on these individuals, or earlier generations, or contact to relatives alive in Switzerland (the latter being difficult due to the Swiss privacy legislation)? It would be useful if you could describe in a bit more detail what you are looking for.

Obwalden is not my area of research - so unfortunately I will not be able to help your any further. If nobody speaks up here, it might be a good idea to contact Zentralschweizerische Gesellschaft für Familienforschung. Their Portrait Archiv includes portaits of several Durrer of Kerns.

Obwalden Archives gave this response:

Unfortunately our archive does not offer to do paid genealogical research and we don't have contacts to local researchers who offer to do this as a paid service. Maybe the "Zentralschweizerische Gesellschaft für Familienforschung" is able to point you to someone willing to do the research: https://www.genealogie-zentralschweiz.c ... hp/kontakt

Kerns Municipal Archives:

Wir haben in unserem Archiv nachgeschaut, jedoch keine Angaben über die genannten Personen gefunden.

Eventuell kann Ihnen das Zivilstandsamt Obwalden weiterhelfen. Fragen Sie doch dazu unter zivilstandsamt@sarnen.ow.ch nach.

As a genealogist, my goal is, of course, the prove and document the pedigree I was given by another researcher. I only know for certain my great-grandfather's family and my grandfather's family which I knew personally. I have no documentation past my great-grandfather except what I found in the Obwalden Gazette regarding Franziska Fanger's and Balz Durrer's legal troubles. I don't even know if the ancestral line I have is accurate.

I have not been able to find other relatives researching this line since receiving the pedigree many years ago to compare information. I am not able to visit Obwalden in person to do the research myself. I know in other European countries there are services that do this on behalf of clients.

Researching in Switzerland has been curiously difficult from overseas compared to other countries I've worked with in the past. I'm hoping for any advice on how to accomplish my goals.

Thanks kindly.

polgara hat geschrieben: Sa 6. Nov 2021, 18:21Researching in Switzerland has been curiously difficult from overseas compared to other countries I've worked with in the past.

In this sense there is no "Switzerland" - there are tremendous differences between cantons - unfortunately for you, OW is not amongst the easy ones.

As you are relying on someone doing research locally on your behalf, I recommend to contact the regional society first (also mentioned by the archive). If they cannot give you an address, try https://www.sgffweb.ch/netzwerke-adress ... genealogen, a list of professionals on the webpage of the national society. However, none of the genealogists on this list indicates special involvement in OW ... several just offer to do research in all of Switzerland. Of the ones covering all Switzerland, Oertig Bernadette Sabina lives closed to OW - but still 80 km by car and more than 2 hrs by public transport (one way): in case you ask for an estimate, consider travel cost and time.

Zivilstandsamt Sarnen will be able to give you information on the most recent generations. You could ask them, which of your ancestors they find in their registers, and what you'd have to do (and pay) to get a "Familienschein" (one for each generation).

Yes I am learning that the archives in Obwalden are very unwilling to help foreigners. Only the Civil Archives has offered to help me with the three most recent generations of the pedigree as their records only go back to 1876. They recommended a local monastery which held the church records for prior generations which has since informed me they don't do research for foreigners which is of no added value to their facility.

It looks like I'm running out of options to research my family here.

Thank you for the advice you were able to offer.

Best wishes,
Laury

Good evening Laury

I am often in the State archive in Obwalden/Sarnen. The staff is very helpful and the research is easy.

In your case they couldn't help you because the information about the family Durrer in the family books (called Stammbücher) ends with Melchior Josef Durrer, born 1850. For further information you should consult the civil registries, some of them are also in the State archive.

About your ancestors: Balz Durrer, the father of Melk Josef Durrer (born. 1850), was born 1816. He is the son of Franz Josef Durrer (1774-1846) and Maria Josefa Kathriner, and the grandson of Hans Balz Durrer and Anna Maria Weniger. 'Brenner' is not a location or something else, it might be an occupation (burning something, probably coal, or a distiller). The family lived in Kerns.

Kindly regards
Thomas Gmür