Degen von Horw LU

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Hello there,

My name is Michelle, I live in Canada. I am hoping to uncover more information about Degen relatives from the Luzern Kanton, possible Kriens and Horw. I have a feeling I may have to look in Basel, but I thought I would start with what I know.

My 2nd great-grandmother was Josefa Agnes Degen born 07 FEB 1869 in Luzern Kanton, married to Max/Massimo Schaubeck of Bavaria. Josefa Agnes Degen's parents were Franz Degen and Marie Buholzer. This info came from a marriage index from Horw.

I have a record of a marriage between Franz Xaver Degen and Aloisia Meyer also, with a daughter Maria Josefa Degen born 1852. What is confusing is that Josefa Agnes may have also gone by Marie.

I have DNA Ancestry matches with someone who has a Josef Degen from Switzerland in their tree.

I greatly appreciate any help you are able to provide, thank you.



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Luzern church records are online. Josefa Agnes Degen was born 07.02.1869 in Bachmättli(?) and baptised 09.02.1869 in Kriens; parents were Franz Degen, a carpenter of Horw, and Maria Buholzer of Kriens; the couple got married 25.05.1857 in Kriens and lived in Kriens. The grandfather was Franz Degen, also carpenter from Horw.
mlegere wrote:
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I have DNA Ancestry matches with someone who has a Josef Degen from Switzerland in their tree.
When did this Josef Degen live? What was his place of citizenship? Do you have info on his ancestors and/or descendants?


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Hello Wolf, thank you very much for your help! I've been scouring Ancestry, FamilySearch and Swiss archives (federal and Kanton) with very little luck. I obviously have a lot to learn!

The two Degen's in my matches tree were listed as being from Kriens. I got in touch with the match, and he said the info came from a relative and he doesn't have direct access but will be going to Switzerland soon to do more research. Josef Degen was listed as having a daughter Anna Maria Euphrosina Degen 11 Jun 1794-19 DEC 1862 (mother Elisabeth Mahler).



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mlegere wrote:
Thu 13. Feb 2020, 22:12
The two Degen's in my matches tree were listed as being from Kriens. [...] Josef Degen was listed as having a daughter Anna Maria Euphrosina Degen 11 Jun 1794 - 19 Dec 1862 (mother Elisabeth Mahler).
Kriens is not listed as place of citizenship for Degen in the online version of the Register of Swiss Surnames. In the preceding printed version of 1940, however, Kriens is mentioned: the line gained citizenship there after 1900 and became extinct before 1962. They (or at least some other Degens) seem to have lived in Kriens before, though - at least Anna Maria Euphrosina Elisabetha Degen was also baptised in Kriens 11.06.1794 (frame 219). Unfortunately the record does not mention the father's origin.

It would be best to get as much info on this line as possible, in order to search for correlations.


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One more thing: It looks like it references godparents from Kriens with the last name Degen? Felix/Feliz and Anna maybe?



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You are referring to the baptism 09.02.1869 in Kriens: correct - godparents were Felix and Anna Degen, both from Horw(!).


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I'm learning so much! My one DNA contact has been furiously working away to see if our trees can connect, and sharing lots of findings with me. He has found pretty much all of the following information (especially after I showed him the Family Search tutorials on Swiss genealogical research), but I am beginning to understand how to navigate the records myself. We know have up to Josefa Agnes' grandparents, which is where there is now some further confusion.

Marriage record of Josefa Agnes' parents Franz Degen and A. Maria Buholzer on May 25, 1857 in Kriens https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... ?cat=57086

Groom Franz Degen b. 16 July 1816 in (?) Luzerne. Residing in Kriens, Heimatort Horw. (Does that note indicate Franz may have died in 1896?)
A. Maria Buholzer 30 Jun 1833 in Kriens. Residing in Kriens, Heimatort Kriens.

Parents of Franz Degen
Franz Degen, carpenter of Horw
A. Marie Haas of Horw

Parents of A. Marie Buholzer
(?) both of Kriens

With Franz Degen born 16 July 1816 we then found a birth record https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... ?cat=57109
Franz Josephus Leontius Degen
Father Franciscus Degen
Mother Anna M. Haas

And siblings:
Anna Maria Verena Degen, b 14 Mar 1814: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... &cat=57109
Anna Maria Catharina Barbara Degen, b 4 Sep 1818: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... &cat=57109

We have found the marriage record for Franz Degen and Anna Maria Haas a record in Luzern https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... ?cat=57109 and a more detailed record in Horw https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... ?cat=57083.

Marriage 10 Feb 1812.
Witnessed by Antonius Degen and Anna Maria Buoholzer
Franciscus Degen: son of Franciscus Degen and Barbara Kaufmann
Anna Maria Haas: daughter of Jodocus Haas and Anna Maria Buoholzer

Now, we thought we had other children from Franz Degen and Barbara Kaufmann, but then we had this confusing record...
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... ?cat=57083
The third and fourth records. Are there 2 girls with similar names born 2 days apart with parents of the same name from the same town?

Once again, I am very grateful for every bit of help! Thank you.
Michelle



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Hi Michelle

Yes, Franz Degen-Buholzer died in 1896.

The parents of Anna Marie Degen-Buholzer were Leodegar Buholzer and Anna Maria Buholzer, he was a farmer ("Landmann").

The two girls were baptized on the 11th and 12th May 1785. I suppose they were twins and one was baptized one day before the other. That wasn't the standard case but I've encountered other twins where one was baptized before the other. I know one case with three days between the baptisms of the twins.

Kind regards

Olivier



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Zwillinge können auch im Abstand von mehreren Tagen geboren werden (Wikipedia) - wobei sich die Frage ergibt, ob es sich um Zwillinge im engen Sine handelt oder um Überschwängerung.


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