Stohler von Arboldswil BL

[JaneAusten7]

I was wondering do both females and males inherit their Heimat citizenship from their father or only legitimate males? I was a little confused. I saw in one place that a woman takes on her husband's citizenship with marriage? Would that be automatic or did I misunderstand?

[Peter.D]

Yes, both received their father's citizenship. However, the wife lost her original citizenship upon marriage and received her husband's citizenship. The illegitimate child received and still receives the mother's surname and citizenship, apart from a few special cases.

From 1988, the wife retained her original citizenship alongside her husband's citizenship. Since 2013, marriage no longer results in a change of citizenship (CC 161).

From 2013, the child receives the citizenship of the parent whose surname it bears (CC 271).

Peter

[JaneAusten7]

Yes, both received their father's citizenship. However, the wife lost her original citizenship upon marriage and received her husband's citizenship. The illegitimate child received and still receives the mother's surname and citizenship, apart from a few special cases.

Ah! That explains a lot! Thank you, Peter.

My grandfather, never had his daughters put in the Family Register for Arboldswil, like he did his eldest child, a son. Then, he made sure when his son had two sons that they were also included in the Family Register. When asked why, he always said that they would marry and it would change. Not until now did I realize his reasoning behind it.

Hmmmm, that makes me think of another thing... Should I be looking for another Family Register for when they became citizens of Basel as well?

Thank you for all the help! I really appreciate it!

[Peter.D]

Hmmmm, that makes me think of another thing... Should I be looking for another Family Register for when they became citizens of Basel as well?

As your Stohler family was only granted citizenship of the city of Basel in 1906, it is not listed in the family registers in the State Archives, but only in the family register of the Civil registry office. These registers are not public and certainly not available online. Only direct descendants of the respective family can request an (expensive) extract (Familienschein) from the office. However, there should not be much new information for you. Since 2004, the registers are only kept in an IT system, no longer on paper.

If your relatives in the USA still have the citizenship of Arboldswil and Basel, they are also entitled to vote in Switzerland!

Peter

[JaneAusten7]

As your Stohler family was only granted citizenship of the city of Basel in 1906, it is not listed in the family registers in the State Archives,

Forgive me if I'm asking stupid questions... Is the date (meaning too "recent" history) the reason the Familienregister is not in the BS archives? Or do you mean that they were ONLY granted City of Basel citizenship and that means something different?

but only in the family register of the Civil registry office.

Again I apologize ahead of time... Does that mean that all Familienregisters are Civil Registry Office whether it's in BS or BL? And the other things I've been accessing with family information is Church records, correct? Or am I just confusing the rules between BS and BL on what and when they put things into their state archives?

These registers are not public and certainly not available online. Only direct descendants of the respective family can request an (expensive) extract (Familienschein) from the office. However, there should not be much new information for you.

Especially, since I have the dates they became citizens and know the most about them already, it would not be worth the expense and difficulty. Thank you for the warning.

If your relatives in the USA still have the citizenship of Arboldswil and Basel, they are also entitled to vote in Switzerland!

I'm going to have to email my cousin and see if he and his brother are aware of this!

[Peter.D]

Es ist tatsächlich kompliziert ...

Die Familienregister, die im Staatsarchiv Baselland online zur Verfügung stehen, waren von den Pfarrern der jeweiligen Kirchgemeinde geführte Register. Ab 1881 mussten die seit 1876 tätigen staatlichen Zivilstandsbeamten in Baselland Familienregister führen; diese Register befinden sich immer noch bei den Zivilstandsämtern und sind nicht öffentlich und nicht online verfügbar. Die kirchlichen Familienregsiter wurden daneben unterschiedlich lange weitergeführt, ob vom Pfarrer oder von der lokalen Bürgergemeinde ist mir nicht bekannt.

In der Stadt Basel führten die Pfarrer nie Familienregister. Staatliche Beamte mussten jedoch ab 1850 Familienregister der Stadtbürger erstellen, die sich heute im StABS befinden. Zwischen 1875 und 1880 schuf dann das Zivilstandsamt Familienregister für die Bürger des ganzen Kantons Basel-Stadt. Von diesen Registern befinden sich Doppel im StABS, die bis ca. 1901 nachgeführt wurden. In diesem Register ist die Familie von Rudolf Stohler somit noch nicht enthalten. Von allen neueren Familienregistern besitzt das StABS keine Doppel mehr. Keines der staatlichen Familienregister im StABS ist online verfügbar.

Für Rudolf Stohler-Kiefer eröffnete das Zivilstandsamt 1906 ein erstes Blatt im Familienregister. Darin dürften noch beide Elternpaare vermerkt sein, aber ohne weitere Angaben in die Vergangenheit.

Peter

[JaneAusten7]

Es ist tatsächlich kompliziert ...

That is an understatement

Thank you for explaining it to me. I really appreciate your help.

[JaneAusten7]

I was wondering did one become a Tobacco dealer as part of a Trade or Guild? What kind of shop would a Tobacco business be considered?

I'm wondering if my grandfather Dr. Rudolf Stohler was going to school and sleeping at the Tobacco shop while his parents were living in Reinach? In the 1920s would it have been legal to sleep on the premises of a business? Now it is strictly forbidden here in the US, unless there is a legal separate apartment.

Thank you for your help!