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Bussien de Port-Valais VS

Posted: Fri 27. Sep 2019, 15:08
by Paul Burkhalter
Hallo,
I have this copy of the above from 1910 for a relative. I know what it says, but my question is:
What is the purpose of the document? Was it issued for a specific purpose, or did everyone get one.
I am a bit puzzled as I've never seen this mentioned before as a research item.

Paul

[thank you Mods for the necessary translation]

Re: Certificat d'origine pour une personne non mariée

Posted: Fri 27. Sep 2019, 15:58
by Peter.D
Hallo Paul

Es handelt sich um einen Heimatschein, der auch heute noch bei der Anmeldung in einer neuen Wohngemeinde verlangt wird (siehe hier z.B. für die Stadt Zürich).

Früher war dieser Schein von viel weitreichender Bedeutung, da er dem Inhaber bestätigte, dass er jederzeit in seine Heimatgemeinde zurückkehren konnte und im Notfall von dort unterstützt wurde.
Die Schweiz hatte im 19. Jh. mit verschiedenen anderen Staaten Abkommen über die Niederlassung abgeschlossen, in denen die Schweizer bei der Auswanderung ebenfalls einen Heimatschein vorweisen mussten.

Weiter wurde der Heimatschein bei der Bewerbung für Anstellungen beim Bund und in vielen Kantonen verlangt. Auch manche Spitäler forderten die Vorweisung eines Heimatscheins, bevor sie einen Patienten aufnahmen - da sie nicht auf den Kosten sitzenbleiben wollten.

Peter

Re: Certificat d'origine pour une personne non mariée

Posted: Fri 27. Sep 2019, 16:34
by Paul Burkhalter
Thank you Peter.
The pencil note at the bottom would seem to show he was at Montoie (Lausanne?).

Re: Bussien de Port-Valais VS

Posted: Sun 29. Sep 2019, 08:05
by Paul Burkhalter
If he went and lived in Lausanne, would there be a surviving register in the VD archives of such arrivals and departures?
If someone could advise and possibly supply a link, I would be very grateful. My French is too poor to know what to look for!

Paul

Re: Bussien de Port-Valais VS

Posted: Sun 29. Sep 2019, 08:40
by Peter.D
Hallo Paul

Ich bin nicht sicher, was die Bleistift-Einträge am unteren Rand des Heimatscheins bedeuten. Solche Einträge waren eigentlich gar nicht vorgesehen. Es scheint mir auch eher unwahrscheinlich, dass man dort ein Quartier eingetragen hat.
Aber du kannst ja zur Sicherheit noch beim Stadtarchiv von Lausanne nachfragen. Die Einwohnerkontrolle (contrôle de l'habitant) aus dieser Zeit ist mit grosser Sicherheit noch vorhanden.

Peter

Re: Bussien de Port-Valais VS

Posted: Sun 29. Sep 2019, 10:09
by Paul Burkhalter
Peter,
There is writing bottom left which may indicate this place, so a search might be worthwhile.
Unfortunately I have tried with the search term you provided but no results. I would be grateful if someone with French could try for me.
Paul

Re: Bussien de Port-Valais VS

Posted: Sun 29. Sep 2019, 10:33
by Peter.D
Paul, there's no online search for the registration documents. You have to use the 'Ecrivez-nous' on the right side and send them an e-mail in English. If they answer in French, just come back to this forum.

Peter

Re: Bussien de Port-Valais VS

Posted: Sun 29. Sep 2019, 10:53
by Paul Burkhalter
Thanks Peter. I will do that and post here the result.
Paul

Re: Bussien de Port-Valais VS

Posted: Thu 10. Oct 2019, 16:56
by Paul Burkhalter
I will start by praising Ville de Lausanne Archiv who have been excellent in tracking down the information for me. I now know the dates of his arrival and departure (1910-1913), the address he lived, and where he went next (Weggis). Weggis are now finding what they can.

Re: Bussien de Port-Valais VS

Posted: Thu 10. Oct 2019, 17:04
by Paul Burkhalter
Next query is for one generation further back.
Joseph Emile BUSSIEN (1851-1912) of Le Bouveret is said to have worked on the railway at Bouveret. Please could someone advise if the staff records of the SBB and earlier railway companies (in this case the S-O-S) have survived and can they be accessed?
I have asked SBB Historic but they do not have the old staff records.
Incidentally, SBB Historic archiv have a photo dated 1885 of the staff at Bouveret. If it is true that he worked there, I’d like to believe my great-grandfather is one of those pictured! (SBB H don’t have their names).

Re: Bussien de Port-Valais VS

Posted: Tue 22. Oct 2019, 08:20
by Paul Burkhalter
Paul Burkhalter wrote:
Thu 10. Oct 2019, 16:56
I will start by praising Ville de Lausanne Archiv who have been excellent in tracking down the information for me. I now know the dates of his arrival and departure (1910-1913), the address he lived, and where he went next (Weggis). Weggis are now finding what they can.
Weggis Archiv has been very helpful, but say there is no record of him registering there in the timeframe. So the trail goes cold!

Re: Bussien de Port-Valais VS

Posted: Fri 25. Oct 2019, 12:49
by Paul Burkhalter
Paul Burkhalter wrote:
Thu 10. Oct 2019, 17:04
Next query is for one generation further back.
Joseph Emile BUSSIEN (1851-1912) of Le Bouveret is said to have worked on the railway at Bouveret. Please could someone advise if the staff records of the SBB and earlier railway companies (in this case the S-O-S) have survived and can they be accessed?
I have asked SBB Historic but they do not have the old staff records.
Incidentally, SBB Historic archiv have a photo dated 1885 of the staff at Bouveret. If it is true that he worked there, I’d like to believe my great-grandfather is one of those pictured! (SBB H don’t have their names).
I asked the federal archives if they had these records, but they do not.
I suppose I could ask SBB.
Anyone here have any ideas?

Re: Bussien de Port-Valais VS

Posted: Sat 26. Oct 2019, 16:43
by Peter.D
Hallo Paul

Ich sehe im Archiv der SBB zwar einige Personalakten. Aber wenn SBB Historic nichts gefunden hat, dürfte es schwierig werden. Aber du kannst ja nochmals nach dem oben verlinkten Bestand fragen.

Peter

Re: Bussien de Port-Valais VS

Posted: Sat 26. Oct 2019, 17:49
by Paul Burkhalter
Peter, that is very helpful, thank you very much.
I will contact them and report back.

Re: Bussien de Port-Valais VS

Posted: Tue 3. Dec 2019, 09:02
by Paul Burkhalter
After a reminder, they replied that this book does not have the info I seek.
It seems there are no old railway staff records in archives, local or national.
I wonder if SBB still have something? However I wouldn’t know where to start asking!

Re: Bussien de Port-Valais VS

Posted: Tue 3. Dec 2019, 17:37
by Peter.D
Hallo Paul

Grundsätzlich haben die SBB die alten Dokumente eben genau in das Archiv abgeliefert, das dir jetzt negativ geantwortet hat. Bis vor ca. 20 Jahren gab es drei SBB Kreisdirektionen mit je eigener Administration. In deinem Fall wäre die Kreisdirektion I zuständig gewesen.

Du kannst aber sicherheitshalber noch bei SBB HR nachfragen, ob allenfalls bei Ihnen noch alte Personalakten aufbewahrt werden. Vermutlich werden sie aber antworten, dass alles im SBB Archiv sei, sofern nicht vernichtet ...

Peter

Re: Bussien de Port-Valais VS

Posted: Tue 3. Dec 2019, 20:27
by Paul Burkhalter
Once again I am grateful Peter
I have sent an enquiry to SBB, via the press office which seems to be the only email address on the corporate website.
We will see what they say.
Paul

Re: Bussien de Port-Valais VS

Posted: Wed 4. Dec 2019, 09:09
by Paul Burkhalter
Well, a very rapid reply from the Press Office to say if I have already asked SBB Historic then they cannot help.

I will have to admit defeat on this one!

Thank you to all readers, but especially Peter D.