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Riedener von Untereggen SG

Post by Heinz-R » Sun 4. Oct 2015, 16:41

Seit etlichen Jahren erforsche ich meine Vorfahren und bin dabei bis auf Hans Riedener + 07.05.1674, Sohn des Ulrich Riedener, gestossen.

Parallel zur Erforschung der Vorfahren und derer Familien dehne ich nun meine Aktivitäten aus, indem ich ebenfalls Fragestellungen
- der Namensherkunft
- des Vorhandenseins eines Wappens
zu beantworten versuche.



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Re: Riedener von Untereggen SG - Namensherkunft

Post by Heinz-R » Sun 4. Oct 2015, 16:46

Eine Anfrage bei der Gemeinde Eggersriet führte zum nachfolgenden Feedback von Peter Fürer von der Chronikstobe Eggersriet:
Im Historischen Lexikon der Schweiz, Familiennamenbuch (http://www.hls-dhs-dss.ch/famn/index.php) steht unter „Riedener“:
Sub Untereggen: altes Geschlecht, Einbürgerung vor 1800
Ebenso bei Eggersriet: altes Geschlecht, Einbürgerung vor 1800
Sowie bei St.Gallen: Einbürgerung 1960 (von Eggersriet kommend)

Betr. Wanderung von Eggersriet nach Untereggen oder umgekehrt / aus Religions-Gründen?
Meine Meinung: eher nein, denn Eggersriet und Untereggen blieben katholisch, während die appenzellischen Nachbargemeinden zum neuen Glauben wechselten. Es gab Eggersrieter Einwohner, die aus Glaubensgründen den Wohnort gewechselt haben (z.B. nach Grub AR).

Bedeutung des Namens:
Ried (Mehrzahl Rieden) / Riet:
- Riedgrass, Hohe Gräser an sumpfigen Orten
- Unbebautes, ein wenig sumpfiges Erdreich
Ried bedeutet auch ausgereuteter Platz im Wald
Rieder: ausgereutete Waldstücke
Synonym: Rüti

Name „Rieter“ oder „Rieder“: wer oder was von einem Ort Namens „Riet/Ried“ stammt oder dazu gehört.

In Eggersriet ist das Geschlecht „Hochreutener“, als diejenigen, die hoch oben gereutet/gerodet haben“ verbreitet.

Der Name Riedener kann also gut diese gleiche Bedeutung haben.
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Re: Riedener von Untereggen SG - Namensherkunft + Wappen

Post by Heinz-R » Sun 4. Oct 2015, 16:56

Von grossem Interesse für mich sind nun weitergehende Informationen zur Namensherkunft, wie auch zu allenfalls vorhandenen Wappen.

Betreffend Wappen habe ich bis jetzt nur das gemäss Siegel des Rudolf R., "Under den Eggen", 1460 (siehe Bilddatei) ausfindig machen können. Allerdings habe ich noch keinerlei Personeninformationen und Nachkommen-Daten von Rudolf R.

Für jegwelche weitere Mosaiksteinchen zu meinem Puzzle bin ich sehr dankbar.

Beste Grüsse
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Re: Riedener von Untereggen SG

Post by Heinz-R » Wed 28. Jun 2017, 20:10

Die Diskussion zur Namensherkunft "Riedener" hat bisher keine zusätzliche Erkenntnisse zutage gebracht. Was unter anderem in den Kirchenbüchern auffällt, ist der Umstand, dass teilweise innerhalb der Familie Übergänge von "Riedener" zu "Riederer" und umgekehrt zu verzeichnen sind. Eine konkrete Aussage dazu ist aber auch nicht auffindbar.

Andererseits findet sich auf der Seite von Prof. Dr. Josef Riederer eine Vermutung, dass bei der von ihm erforschten Familie mit ersten Namensnennungen im 13. Jahrhundert von Bürgern von Augsburg die Namensherkunft im Ried an der Donau bei Donauwörth angenommen werden kann.

Im Familiennamenbuch der Schweiz finden sich "Riederer" vor 1800 im St. Gallischen - unter anderem in Untereggen SG; ebenso "Riedener". Es wäre wirklich interessant, ob diese Namensähnlichkeit eine plausible Erklärung hat oder es nur unterschiedliche phonetische Wahrnehmungen als Ursache gibt?

Nach wie vor bin ich an diesem Thema sehr interessiert!
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Re: Riedener von Untereggen SG

Post by Heinz-R » Thu 29. Jun 2017, 20:35

Aufgrund der gestrigen Notiz habe ich weitere Hinweise erhalten (Dank an Nico):
http://www.onomastik.com/riederer.php



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Riedener from Untereggen - family history 19th-20th century

Post by riedener » Wed 27. Sep 2017, 19:02

I would like to better understand my family's history, and their historical context in St. Gallen between the mid 19th to the mid 20th centuries.

The "context" might include: photographs, details about employment, oral history, social network, etc. It is possible that I have living relatives in St. Gallen. I would like to hear from relatives or family friends that are interested in corresponding. A list of my great grand father's siblings follows. My hope is: this is a large enough set of names to establish a connection, and/or to begin a conversation.

Briefly: my great grandfather, Gebhard Riedener, one of ten children, married Christina Knecht possibly from Wittenbach, in 1907. They had three children before emigrating from the canton of St. Gallen to Hudson County, New Jersey, USA about 1912. Gebhard's occupation was stitcher. Their last residence might have been Berneck. Gebhard's oldest brother, Johann B., had twelve children. Three or four of Johann's children emigrated to Long Island, New York at approximately the same time.

Embroidery is a theme in my family's story. I'm also researching early embroidery machines and the embroidery industry.

Parents:

Jakob Justin RIEDENER [1832-1891]
Born on 10 Oct 1832 at Untereggen, St. Gallen, Switzerland. Died on 25 Feb 1891 at Berneck, St Gallen, Swtz.

Maria K Boppart [1835-1902]

Children:

1. Jakob Alois RIEDENER [1857-1857]
Born on 27 May 1857 at Untereggen, St Gallen, Swtz. Died on 25 Jun 1857 at Untereggen, St Gallen, Swtz.

2. Johann Baptist RIEDENER [1860-1920]
Born on 21 Nov 1860 at Untereggen, St Gallen, Swtz. Died on 3 Apr 1920 at Berneck, St Gallen, Swtz.

3. Augustin RIEDENER [1862-1944]
Born on 10 Aug 1862 at Untereggen, St Gallen, Swtz. Died on 17 May 1944 at Rorschach, St. Gallen, Swtz.

4. Jakob RIEDENER [1865-1931]
Born on 4 Oct 1865 at Untereggen, St. Gallen, Switzerland. Died on 3 Mar 1931 at Balgach, S. Gallen, Switz.

5. Bernhard RIEDENER [1868-1868]
Born on 12 Sep 1868 at Untereggen, St Gallen, Swtz. Died on 30 Sep 1868 at Untereggen, St Gallen, Swtz.

6. Franz Xaver RIEDENER [1870-1947]
Born on 4 Jan 1870 at Untereggen, St Gallen, Swtz. Died on 14 Apr 1947 at Flawil, St. Gallen, Swtz.

7. Joseph RIEDENER [1871-1871]
Born on 23 Feb 1871 at Untereggen, St Gallen, Swtz. Died on 1 Mar 1871 at Untereggen, St Gallen, Swtz.

8. Gottlieb RIEDENER [1872-1872]
Born on 30 Aug 1872 at Straubenzell, St Gallen, Swtz. Died on 26 Nov 1872.

9. Christina RIEDENER [1874]
Born on 27 Feb 1874 at Straubenzell, St Gallen, Swtz.

10. Gebhard RIEDENER [1876-1946]
Born on 2 Jun 1876 at Straubenzell, St Gallen, Swtz. Died on 31 Jan 1946 at West New York, New Jersey, USA.



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Re: Riedener von Untereggen SG

Post by Wolf » Fri 29. Sep 2017, 13:20

The following summarizes the Riedener line of riedener's ancestors. The list uses the numbering system suggested by Kekulé. riedener is the starting individual ("Proband" = nr.1).

Source: private communication.

1) "Proband"

2) father

4) Gebhard Robert Riedener
, * 08.02.1910 in Switzerland, + 20.02.1988 in Hawthorne, Passaic, New Jersey
oo 16.08.1936 West New York, Hudson, New Jersey
5) Lilian Hofstetter (28.09.1914-27.01.1997)

8) Gebhard Riedener, *02.06.1876 in Straubenzell SG, + 31.01.1946 in West New York, New Jersey
oo 12.08.1907 Berneck SG
9) Christina Knecht (29.08.1883-17.01.1966)

16) Jakob Justin Riedener, * 10.10.1832 in Untereggen SG, + 25.02.1891 in Berneck SG
oo 03.02.1857
17) Maria Katharina Boppart (29.05.1835-12.10.1902) von Straubenzell SG

32) Johann Jakob Riedener, * 25.07.1805 in Untereggen SG, + 19.07.1848 "in Römischen Militär"
o-o
33) Barbara Harzenmoser von Andwil SG

64) Johann Baptist Riederer (sic!), * 24.09.1772 in Untereggen SG (Geburtsort fraglich - siehe hier), gest. 13.02.1840 in Untereggen SG
oo 01.03.1802
65) Anna Maria Pfaff (31.05.1775-24.05.1865)

Angaben zu weiteren Vorfahren werden dankbar entgegen genommen.
Details zu Mütterlinien bitte in jeweils eigenen Threads diskutieren.


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Re: Riedener von Untereggen SG

Post by Heinz-R » Fri 29. Sep 2017, 19:14

Zu:
64) Johann Baptist Riederer (sic!), * 24.09.1772 in Untereggen SG, gest. 13.02.1840 in Untereggen SG
Gemäss meinen Forschungsunterlagen steht im Kirchenregister von Untereggen Ehen auf der Seite mit dem Jahr 1802 im zweiten Eintrag:
Johann Baptista Riederer natus in Suevia Parochio Thüringen, die 24 Septbris 1772, et (...) Anna Maria Pfaff nata in (...) Parochio Ailingen, die 31 Martij 1775.

Hoffe, dass das hilft!



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Re: Riedener von Untereggen SG

Post by Wolf » Fri 29. Sep 2017, 23:28

Heinz-R wrote:
Fri 29. Sep 2017, 19:14
... Johann Baptista Riederer natus in Suevia Parochio Thüringen, die 24 Septbris 1772, ...
Danke für den Hinweis, Heinz. Dass hier Geburtsort und Bürgerort verwechselt wurden, wäre nicht ungewöhnlich.

Ich gehe jetzt einmal davon aus, dass mit Thüringen die Pfarrei Thüringen in Vorarlberg gemeint ist - deren Kirchenbücher sind ja online. Dort finde ich allerdings keinen passenden Taufeintrag, im Zeitraum 1768-1776 finde ich auch keinen einzigen Taufeintrag Riederer. Dieser Frage müsste also noch nachgegangen werden.


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Re: Riedener from Untereggen - family history 19th-20th century

Post by shira_bern » Sat 30. Sep 2017, 13:28

Gruezi Chris
Welcome in Geneal-Forum. If I understand your request correctly, your are
  • looking for living descendants of the Riedener-Boppart-couple
  • to learn about the assumed involvement of your ancestors in the local tradition of embroidery
As you might know, finding living cousins is not easy in Europe due to the personal data protection law. A recommendable path is certainly to publish your present GED-files on Geneal-Tree, which is connected to Geneal-Forum. This would reveal your present study at once and show all open ends. That is the GED-files on "Riedener of Untereggen SG" and "Hofstetter of Benken SG".

To track specific information on your direct ancestors lives or their social network, a visit in the State archive in St.Gallen might be worth its salt. They keep further records like land registers or else.

Hope this helps.
Best regards, Yvonne
riedener wrote:
Wed 27. Sep 2017, 19:02
I would like to better understand my family's history, and their historical context in St. Gallen between the mid 19th to the mid 20th centuries.

The "context" might include: photographs, details about employment, oral history, social network, etc. It is possible that I have living relatives in St. Gallen. I would like to hear from relatives or family friends that are interested in corresponding. A list of my great grand father's siblings follows. My hope is: this is a large enough set of names to establish a connection, and/or to begin a conversation.

Briefly: my great grandfather, Gebhard Riedener, one of ten children, married Christina Knecht possibly from Wittenbach, in 1907. They had three children before emigrating from the canton of St. Gallen to Hudson County, New Jersey, USA about 1912. Gebhard's occupation was stitcher. Their last residence might have been Berneck. Gebhard's oldest brother, Johann B., had twelve children. Three or four of Johann's children emigrated to Long Island, New York at approximately the same time.

Embroidery is a theme in my family's story. I'm also researching early embroidery machines and the embroidery industry.

Parents:
Jakob Justin RIEDENER [1832-1891] Born on 10 Oct 1832 at Untereggen, St. Gallen, Switzerland. Died on 25 Feb 1891 at Berneck, St Gallen, Swtz.
Maria K Boppart [1835-1902]

Children: [snip...]



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Re: Riedener von Untereggen SG

Post by jriedener » Wed 15. Aug 2018, 14:00

Hello,
My husband's family is Riedener. They are from Long Island NY and his grandparents had an embroidering business in their home.
Where are you located?
Who were your parents?



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Re: Riedener von Untereggen SG

Post by Wolf » Wed 15. Aug 2018, 14:12

jriedener wrote:
Wed 15. Aug 2018, 14:00
My husband's family is Riedener. They are from Long Island NY ...
Welcome to the forum :) !

There are two "old" Riedener lines - from Untereggen and from Eggersriet. Do you have any indication, your husband's ancestors were citizens of Untereggen?

What do you know about your husband's ancestors? Any information on the person emigrating from Switzerland to the USA? If you want to trace the family in Switzerland it is extremely helpful to know this as starting point.

Best regards - Wolf


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Re: Riedener von Untereggen SG

Post by jriedener » Wed 15. Aug 2018, 14:17

His grandfather John Baptist Riedener the IV. I believe came to NY from St. Gallen Switzerland. He was married to Matilda formerly Carli? not sure of the spelling.



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Re: Riedener von Untereggen SG

Post by Wolf » Wed 15. Aug 2018, 15:29

jriedener wrote:
Wed 15. Aug 2018, 14:17
His grandfather John Baptist Riedener the IV. I believe came to NY from St. Gallen Switzerland.
"St.Gallen" most likely refers to the canton, not the capital city with the same name. Both, Eggersriet and Untereggen, are in canton St.Gallen.

What time are we talking about? When did John Baptist Riedener emigrate? Any guess about his year of birth, e.g. calculated from age at death? Did he get married before or after emigration? Have any Swiss documents survived in the family?


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Re: Riedener von Untereggen SG

Post by jriedener » Fri 17. Aug 2018, 10:46

Hello,
I gathered more information. My husband's grandfather is from Berneck in Canton of St. Gallen. There were 12 surviving children. 5 ended up on Long Island NY some to NJ. My father in laws grandfather was Gebhart and grandmother was Katri were Swiss embroider's on manual stitching machines. Gebhart had other brothers in the same area of Berneck or St. Gallen.
My husband's grandfather with the third youngest of the 12 kids. His name was John Baptist Riedener possibly his name was originally Hans Baptist born June 11, 1898, not sure when he emigrated to the U.S. still. He passed away November 16, 1981, at 83 years of age.



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Re: Riedener von Untereggen SG

Post by Wolf » Fri 17. Aug 2018, 12:33

Hello,
let me summarize: your husband's grandfather was Johann (Hans) Baptist Riedener, born Berneck June 11, 1898, as son of Gebhart and Katri (likely Katharina).

If this is correct, his birth will be documented in the Berneck birth register. Duplicates of these registers are kept at the St.Gallen State Archive, and data older than 100 years are available without restrictions. I therefore recommend you contact the State Archive and ask for confirmation, if possible for a scan of the entry. This will give us the place of citizenship of his father and will be a good starting point for further research.

Let us know what the Archive's response is.


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Re: Riedener von Untereggen SG

Post by jriedener » Fri 17. Aug 2018, 14:24

This is correct but I am confused since I was under the impression that my husband is John Baptist Riedener the 5th I went to the Ellis Island website and found that there were 2 John Riedener's that arrived one was in 1925 at 26 years old and the other is John Riedener arriving in 1908 at 13 Years old. Not sure how accurate their information is.
I will check out the State Archive in St. Gallen. Thank you so much.



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Re: Riedener von Untereggen SG

Post by shira_bern » Sat 18. Aug 2018, 13:57

Hello JRiedener,
In September 2017, there had been a post in this thread by Chris Riedener. Being a descendant of Gebhard Riedener, born 2.6.1876, Chris appears to be a distant relative of your husband who descends from Johann Baptist Riedener, born 11.6.1898. Do you know him?
It might be worthwhile to exchange data and accomplish your files with him, before contacting the state archives in St.Gallen.
Wish you success, Yvonne (Hausheer)



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Re: Riedener von Untereggen SG

Post by jriedener » Sun 19. Aug 2018, 11:37

Thank you for sharing the information. I will reach out to him.



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