GENEAL-FORUM

Quelle: H.R. von Fels, A. Schmid, E. von Fels: Wappenbuch der Stadt St.Gallen, Rorschach 1952.

Laut Familiennamenbuch ist die Stadt St.Gallen der einzige alte Bürgerort für Vonwiller - erst nach dem 2. Weltkrieg lassen sich Namensträger in Basel, Lausanne sowie dem Kanton Zürich einbürgern.

Laut Bürgerbuch der Stadt St.Gallen (Ausgabe 1930) ist der Name auf zwei ursprünglich verschiedene Grundformen zurückzuführen, nämlich "von Bol" (zwischen Varnen und Wäldli und Studen und Veldi, Straubenzell) und "von Wille" (Wilen). Schon vor 1373 besass ein Johannes von Bol das Bürgerrecht und gab es in demselben Jahre wieder auf. Ein Konrad von Bol erhielt es anno 1376, Hans von Wille 1389. Die Schreibungen Vonbol, Vonbül, Vonbüler, Fahnbül, Vonwil, Vonwille, Vonwiler, Vonwyler wechselten häufig und flossen schliesslich in dem heute gebräuchlichen Vonwiller zusammen.

Siehe dazu auch von Fahnbühl / Vahnbühl / Varnbühler u.ä. von St.Gallen SG.

Johann Nicolaus Vonwiller (1783-1854) gründete ein renommiertes Handelshaus in Mailand; dessen Sohn August Oskar (1822-1888) war schweizerischer Generalkonsul in Mailand von 1872-1888. Laut Bürgerbuch (Ausgabe 1886) war August Oskar zweimal verheiratet:
1. Ehe 1846 mit Maria Luise Mylius (1824-1862) von Frankfurt: Kinder
- Albert Nikolaus (1847) Kaufmann in Mailand
- Laura Elisabeth (1853) oo Louis Gaspard Albert Dollfuss in Lugano
- Johann Heinrich (1854-1913) Fabrikbesitzer in Wien
- Ellen Luise (1857)
2. Ehe 1866 mit Sophie Kesselring (1840) von Märstetten TG: Kinder
- Luise Sophie (1869) oo Piero Gallo Calcedonio Gaspero Capponi in Florenz
- Emma Frida (1872) ooI Ugo della Gherardesca in Florenz, ooII Marchese Alessandro Bartolini-Salimbeni in Florenz
- Dora Elisabeth (1876) ooII Angelo Ritatore in Mailand
- Olga Lucia (1878)
[Einzelne Angaben sind späteren Ausgaben des Bürgerbuchs entnommen]

Historisches Lexikon der Schweiz / Dictionnaire historique de la Suisse / Historical Dictionary of Switzerland:
- Vonwiller (Familie)
- Vonwiller David 1794-1856: Begründer der Baumwoll-Industrie in Süd-Italien.
- Vonwiller Karl Paul 1885-1962: Dr.med.&phil. an der Universität Zürich
- Vonwiller Ulrich 1735-1808: u.a. Zunftmeister und Ratsherr; Gründer des Handelshauses zum "Greifen".

Bibliographie "von Moos":

Stammtafel Vonwiller [von St. Gallen]. o.O.u.J. - 1 Blatt (in der Vadiana St. Gallen)

Engelmann, Alfred: Die Mailänder Linie der Vonwiller von St. Gallen. Milano 1993 - 6 S., Stammliste (in der SGFF-Bibliothek)

Aufgrund einer Anfrage kopiere ich hier eine auszugsweise Stammlinie aus der Stemmatologia Sangallensis:

Vonwiller #6
Caspar / 1513 Aufzieher in der Münze / keine weiteren Daten bekannt - aber "dieser Caspar gehört zum Geschlechte Vonbühl, die angeblichen Söhne aber sind wirklich Vonwiller".
2 Kinder (Gallus #7 und Konrad #8)

Vonwiller #8
Conrad (des Caspar #6) / zahlreiche Ämter 1545-1569 [siehe unten]
oo 12 Aug 1538
Weibratha Rainsberg / keine weiteren Daten bekannt
9 Kinder (1539 - 1555)

Vonwiller #14
Joachim (des Conrad #8) / 12 Okt 1553 - 23 März 1620 [siehe unten]
1593 - 1592 Windwächter, 1601 - 1607 Eilfer, 1602 - 1607 Stadtrichter, 1607 - 03 Mai 1614 Zunftmeister, 1609 - 1614 Kornamtmann
oo 05 Juli 1574
Helena Stauder (des Hanns #21) / 14 Jan 1556 - 16 Juni 1614
13 Kinder (1575 - 1599)

Vonwiller #35
Johannes (des Joachim #14) / 15 Feb 1585 - 02 Juni 1615 / Kornführer, 1612 - 1615 Stadtrichter
oo 06 Feb 1610
Magdalena Schirmer (des Hermann #15) / 04 Mai 1588 - 03 Sep 1629 / ooII Laurenz Gsell (#11)
2 Kinder (1611 - 1613)

Vonwiller #41
Hermann (des Johannes #35) / 19 Nov 1613 - 03 März 1678 / 1644 - 1663 Schwarzschauer (s.u.)
oo 01 Dez 1640
Anna Maria Zollikofer (des Georg #102) / September(?) oder 07 Nov(?) 1622 - 15 Feb 1678
12 Kinder (1641 - 1660) darunter
Hermann / 02 Jan 1651 / oo Anna Regina Rhowerin(?) in Eßlingen
Die Anfrage bezog sich auf einen Hermann von Weiler, * St.Gallen 02 Jan 1651, der später als Apotheker in das Herzogtum Württemberg zog.

Brauteltern: Zollikofer #102
Georg (des Niklaus #61) / 23 April 1591 - 10 Juli 1634
oo 19 Nov 1613
Judith Schobinger (des Hans #25) / 26 Jan 1595 - 14 April 1659
12 Kinder (1615 - 1633)

Zum Amt des Schwarzschauers: Leinwandproduktion und -handel war die vmtl. wichtigste Einnahmequelle der Bürger von St.Gallen. Leinwandschauer kontrollierten auf der Bleiche die Qualität. Die beste (ungefärbte) Qualität wurde von den Weißschauern kontrolliert; weniger gute Ware wurde gefärbt und von den Schwarzschauern kontrolliert.

Die Angaben zu den ersten Generationen scheinen nicht unbestritten zu sein - oder neuere Forschungen haben andere Ergebnisse hervorgebracht. Ich zitiere aus der Familienübersicht im Ortsbürgerbuch von 1970:
"In den Steuerbüchern erscheinen von 1402 bis 1422 Ruedi I. und Wälti I. von Vonbol mit Sitz vor dem Multertor, dann seit 1421 ihnen beigesellt Kaspar I. von Vonbuel mit seinem Haus "im Loch" (heute Gallusplatz), fortan meistens von Vonbuel genannt. [...] Die dritte Linie schliesslich, der alle lebenden Vonwiller angehören, ist diejenige des Ruedi II. - wohl ein Sohn des Ruedi I. - der um 1485 starb. Sein Sohn Heinrich (+ 1519 an der Pest) wurde Fonbüller genannt, während Heinrichs Enkel Konrad, 1557 Eilfer zu Webern (+1573) [oben #8], seit 1542 den Namen Vonwiller annahm. [...] Von ihm aus zweigen sich durch seine Söhne Ulrich (1540-1600), Niklaus (1549-1619) und Joachim (1553-1620) [oben #14] die drei Äste ab, denen der heutige Personenbestand angehört."

Unter dem Titel Schweizer Einwanderer nach Heidelberg und Umgebung wird auf die SEHUM-Datenbank verwiesen. Dort taucht u.a. ein Konrad Vonwiller (? St.Gallen - nach 1667) auf ... siehe Anhang.

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Quelle/Source: Stemmatologia Sangallensis (Erläuterungen/Explanations)

Vonwiller Conrad (29.08.1662-10.03.1719 zu Bürglen), Sohn des Conrad (Nr.58) und der Anna Keller.
ooI 04.07.1682
Ursula Weyermann (17.10.1661-03.01.1691), Tochter des Ulrich (Nr.41) und der Anna Billwiller (Nr.16).
Kinder:
02.05.1684 Anna, oo Hs. Korad(!) Specker (Nr.19)
21.01.1686 Ulrich, +16.05.1686
14.06.1687 Ulrich (Nr.90)
02.12.1688 Katharina, oo Hs. Jacob Sauter (Nr.45)
13.07.1690 Konrad (Nr.99)

ooII 31.03.1691
Anna Maria Kunkler (27.01.1672[§]-04.01.1700), Tochter des Dietlieb (Nr.32) und der Weibratha Kromm. Sie war vorher oo Laurenz Källi (Nr.12).
Kinder:
09.01.1692 Anna Maria, oo Hs. Jb. Stauder (Nr.7)
06.09.1693 Anna Barbara, +07.05.1694
[§] Dieses Geburtsdatum ist offensichtlich falsch (Vater +1662, Mutter +1666) - im Familienblatt des Vaters wird der 15.07.1653 genannt. Der Unterschied zum Datum in SEHUM (20.07.1653) dürfte der Unterschied zwischen (nach St.Gallen gemeldeten) Geburtsdatum und (im Heidelberger Taufregister eingetragenen) Taufdatum begründet sein.
Nachtrag: Im Taufbuch St.Gallen findet sich 1653 kein Taufeintrag. Am 27.01.1672 werden die Zwillinge Barbara und Anna Maria Kunkler getauft - aber die Eltern sind Laurenz Kunkler und Anna Maria Henzmännin.

ooIII 12.03.1700
Weibratha Merz (09.05.1669-31.01.1737), Tochter des Samuel (Nr.38) und der Anna Schenk.
Kinder:
24.12.1700 Söhnlein
07.02.1702 Samuel (Nr.108)
25.07.1703 David, +06.03.1704
02.07.1705 Susanna, +14.02.1709
11.03.1707 Weibratha, +1747
04.05.1709 Laurenz (Nr.116)
01.11.1710 David (Nr.115)
01.10.1712 Susanna, +24.11.1712

Anmerkungen:
Schm(iedezunft); Küfer
26.11.1700-1719 Eilfer
31.03.1704-1704 Grenad. Corp.
03.1704-1709 Grenad. Wachtmeister
30.01.1705-1709 Stadtrichter
04.01.1709-1717 Zunftmeister
1710-1710 Brodschauer
29.12.1710-1717 Unterbürgermeister
1711-1711 Amtsunterbürgermeister 1
1711-1711 zu dem Synod. 1
1714-1714 Amtsunterbürgermeister 2
1714-1714 zu dem Synod. 2
1717-1717 Amtsunterbürgermeister 3
1717-1717 zu dem Synod. 3
1717-1719 Vogt zu Bürglen

Quelle/Source: Stemmatologia Sangallensis (Erläuterungen/Explanations)

Vonwiller Laurenz (19.08.1758-02.07.1811 in Appenzell), Kaufmann, Sohn des Hans Conrad (Nr.24) und der Kleophea Hofmann.
oo 18.06.1782
Margaretha Burkhard (16.11.1755-12.08.1818), Tochter des Niklaus Burkhard von Sumiswald BE und der Margaretha Zaug [heute: Zaugg].
Kinder:
22.08.1783 Johann Niklaus (Nr.195), getauft in Burgdorf
06.02.1785 Margaretha Elisabeth, getauft in Burgdorf, oo Carl August Gonzenbach(Nr.29)
05.09.1787 Susanna Maria, getauft in Burgdorf, ooI Christoph Binder (Nr.5), ooII Johann August Binder (Nr.6)
08.08.1788 Margaretha Kleophea, getauft in Burgdorf, oo Bartholomäus Schlatter (Nr.112)
05.02.1792 Karl Friedrich, +01.02.1793

Quelle/Source: Stemmatologia Sangallensis (Erläuterungen/Explanations)
Im Folgenden werden die Vorfahren der Sabine Gonzenbach (1824-1869) zusammengefasst. Detaillierte Angaben (wie bei ihrem Vater) werden auf Anfrage nachgetragen.
Hinweis: in den frühen Jahrhunderten wird es sich bei dem als Geburtsdatum angegebenen Datum in der Regel um das Taufdatum handeln. Wo Ortsangaben fehlen, wird es sich in der Regel um St.Gallen handeln (das wird in der Stemmatologia nicht angegeben), wurde aber nicht im Einzelfall kontrolliert.

1) Sabine Gonzenbach, von St.Gallen, * 07.04.1824, + 10.01.1869
oo 03.09.1850 Arnold Otto Aepli (22.08.1816-04.12.1897)

3) Margaretha Elisabetha Vonwiller, von St.Gallen, * 06.02.1785 in Burgdorf BE, + 29.03.1840
oo 23.03.1806 in St.Gallen Carl August Gonzenbach (13.02.1779-06.05.1851)

6) Laurenz Vonwiller, von St.Gallen, Kaufmann, * 19.08.1758 in St.Gallen, + 02.07.1811 in Appenzell
oo
7) Margaretha Burkhard (16.11.1755-)

12) Hans Conrad Vonwiller, von St.Gallen, Weber, * 10.08.1726, + 01.01.1760
oo 15.08.1752
13) Kleophea Hofmann (02.02.1730-04.02.1800)

24) Leonhard Vonwiller, von St.Gallen, Weber, * 17.08.1688, + 18.03.1771
oo 14.11.1721
25) Barbara Güge (01.04.1692-27.05.1750)

48) Laurenz Vonwiller, von St.Gallen, Bäcker, * 01.10.1655, + 10.09.1695
oo 13.05.1679
49) Kleophea Girtanner (01.05.1659-20.09.1731)

Hello Board. I am looking for information on the family of a Laurenz Vonwiller (b.1759 – d. October 1, 1825). Any help would be very appreciated.

Regards

Notes:
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1826
Ein Bruder derselben Laurenz Vonwiller (geb. 1759), dessen Todesbericht mit ihrem Ende nahe zusammen traf, war den 1. Okt. 1825 auf der Insel Grenada in Westindien gestorben.In Grenada he was known as Lawrence Vonwiller. He was married two times in Grenada.

The following sequence has been extracted from Stemmatologia Sangallensis. As mentioned above, the earliest generations (ancestors of Niclaus, Nr.13) are under discussion: data given in Stemmatologia will be a good starting point, but should not be taken for granted.

The numbers in front of the names are the numbers used in Stemmatologia. The document has been digitized and should become freely accessible online in May 2018: I will post the link once this is the case. Stemmatologia gives full families for each head of a family - see example above.

177 Laurenz Vonwiller (05.10.1759-01.10.1825)
...... ooI 19.06.1790 Maria Anna Desuliers (31.06.1761-13.05.1797)
............ son: Georg Ludwig * 27.10.1793, merchant in Grenada (Nr.197b)
...... ooII 29.08.1797 Maria Magdalena Benoit (Nov.1770-?) [alive 1831]
Correction:
...... ooII 29.08.1797 Maria Magdalena Faure la Chapelle (Nov.1770-?), widow of Théodore Philippe Benoit

126 Christoph Vonwiller (06.08.1728-15.11.1799) [male descendants]
...... ooI 29.04.1755 Ester Stauderin (09.09.1735-02.02.1780), daughter of Laurenz (Nr.78)
...... ooII 20.02.1781 Anna Maria Straubin (28.08.1742-09.04.1798), daughter of Georg (Nr.29)
...... ooIII 18.09.1798 Anna Barbara Friedrichin (24.08.1740-23.04.1824), daughter of Georg (Nr.55)

107 Georg Vonwiller (06.11.1694-19.09.1770)
...... oo 31.10.1724 Barbara Merzin (14.05.1703-04.11.1768), daughter of Christoph Merz (Nr.57)

065 Bartholome Vonwiller (02.01.1674-10.02.1742)
...... oo 03.10.1693 Dorothea Mejerin (30.01.1672-05.02.1742)

043 Joachim Vonwiller (28.11.1626-28.02.1692)
...... oo 07.05.1650 Sabina Spenglerin (31.05.1629-04.11.1698)

029 Joachim Vonwiller (22.03.1582-18.01.1650)
...... ooI 06.12.1619 Anna Müllerin (18.01.1592-17.07.1623)
...... ooII 20.02.1626 Barbara Breisingin (20.12.1601-04.11.1635)
...... ooIII 20.11.1637 Ursula Hochreutin (1607-05.12.1666)

013 Niclaus Vonwiller (06.06.1549-12.03.1619)
...... oo 03.03.1578 Dorothea Girtannerin (24.01.1555-05.10.1629)

008 Conrad Vonwiller (dies prior to 1573; burial records begin in 1576)
...... oo 12.08.1538 Weibratha Rainsbergerin (?-?)

Thank you Wolf. This is very helpful. Laurenz VonWiller was a very interesting man in the early history of Grenada. I am struggling to transcribe his will due to the difficult script it was written in, and the fading over the years. He was married twice in Grenada and had a few children. It is said that he wrote a book on his involvement in the French revolt against British rule in Grenada that I am trying to get a hold of. I am not certain if he sent it to St Gallen after he was tried by the British for his part in the French Rebellion on the island, or it is lost forever. This is why I am hoping to make contact with any serving relative that might know something about this, and might be able to lead me to a place where that book might be stored.

Quelle/Source: Stemmatologia Sangallensis (Erläuterungen/Explanations)

Vonwiller Georg Ludwig (27.10.1793 - 1835 in Trinidad), Kaufmann, Sohn des Laurenz (Nr.177) und der Maria Anna Desuliers.
oo 1823 [Heiratseintrag in Grenada: 28.10.1823]
Gabrielle d'Ey (?-?) [alive 1836]
Kinder:
1824 Georg Heinrich [Taufeintrag in Grenada: * 30.11.1824 / ≈ 04.04.1825]
1826 Franz Adolf
1833 Andreas
1834 Louise Maria Anna

Bain wrote: ↑

Mon 23. Apr 2018, 03:21

Laurenz VonWiller ... was married twice in Grenada and had a few children.

Stemmatologia list only a single sister for Georg Ludwig: Johanna Clara, born 03.03.1791. Would you know of any other siblings - who were not reported to St.Gallen?

Hello Wolf. Most of the documents I am looking at are written in French. The island was a French colony at the time. I cannot read French that well, so I am struggling to clearly understand what is written there. Maybe you can do a better job. I see lots of names but it's not too clear to me how they are related. The one with the most information is a Marriage agreement written in 1817 between Laurenz Vonwiller and Marie Magdalene Faure La Chapelle - Benoit (Bennoit). I am missing information on the children of George Ludwig Vonwiller.
1833 Andreas
1834 Louisa Maria Anna
I have baptism for Gerog Heinrich and Franz Adolf.

Marriage agreement 1817 in Grenada for Laurenz Vonwiller

Bain wrote: ↑

Tue 24. Apr 2018, 04:22

Marriage agreement 1817 in Grenada for Laurenz Vonwiller

Wolf wrote: ↑

Sun 22. Apr 2018, 09:34

177 Laurenz Vonwiller (05.10.1759-01.10.1825)
...... ooI 19.06.1790 Maria Anna Desuliers (31.06.1761-13.05.1797)
............ son: Georg Ludwig * 27.10.1793, merchant in Grenada (Nr.197b)
...... ooII 29.08.1797 Maria Magdalena Benoit (Nov.1770-?)

Laurenz Vonwiller got married twice, 1790 and 1797 - did he get married a third time in 1817 - or is the date 1797 for the second marriage incorrect - or was this his will? Unfortunately my French is insufficient to read this text.

The short text on Jean Claire Vonwiller seems to list two deeds from Claire Camille Desoulie to Jean Claire and George Louis Vonweiller. My interpretation would be that Claire Camille Desoulie is Maria Anna's sister, likely unmarried or at least without children of her own, bequeathing her nice and nephew.

Weder die Anfragerin noch ich sprechen gut genug Französisch, um sicher zu sein, worum genau es sich hier handelt - geschweige denn die genealogisch relevanten Daten zu extrahieren.

Für eine komplette Transkription/Übersetzung ist der Text zu lang - aber eine kurze Zusammenfassung auf Deutsch oder Englisch würde dankbar entgegen genommen.

Es handelt sich bei dem Dokument um einen notariellen Heiratsverzrag vom 06.08.1817 zwischen den zwei zukünftigen Ehepartnern Laurent Vonweiler, Bürger von St. Gallen, Witwer von Marie Anne Desullier, von der er zwei Kinder hat, und Marie Magdelaine Faure la Chapelle, Witwe von Théodore Philippe Benoit, von dem sie keine Kinder hat.

Nico wrote: ↑

Tue 24. Apr 2018, 20:33

Es handelt sich bei dem Dokument um einen notariellen Heiratsverzrag vom 06.08.1817 zwischen den zwei zukünftigen Ehepartnern Laurent Vonweiler, Bürger von St. Gallen, Witwer von Marie Anne Desullier, von der er zwei Kinder hat, und Marie Magdelaine Faure la Chapelle, Witwe von Théodore Philippe Benoit, von dem sie keine Kinder hat.

Demnach wäre das Heiratsdatum in der Stemmatologia (29.08.1797) also falsch(?).

Hi Wolf,
This is the document from the Anglican Church of St George's on their marriage. Transcribed: -
........................................................-1797 –
#1585 –1797 Mr. Lawrence Vonweiller and wife, were married by Banns this 29th day of Augt.1797
Signed Thos (Thomas) May
Rector of St Andrew and St David
The above marriage was duly solemnized between us the day and year above written.
In the Presence of Signed Lawrence Vonweiller
Signed ??? ???...............- Marie Madeleine F. Bennoit
- Aut? Basselio?
- F. L.? Clozier

Wolf, the story I am looking to clarify involving Laurenz Vonwiller (b. Oct 5,1759 – d. Oct 1,1825), claims that he came to Grenada sometime in 1789 – 1790, to try and bring back profitability to three estates purchased in Grenada by two Swiss Johann Jakob Thurneysen and Jacques-Louis Pourtalès in 1770.

The details can be read here:

Koloniale Erfahrungen im letzten Drittel des 18. Jahrhunderts : die Plantagen der Firmen. Thurneysen aus Basel und Pourtalès aus. Neuenburg auf der westindischen Insel. Grenada. Autor(en):. Röthlin, Niklaus. Objekttyp: Article. Zeitschrift: Basler Zeitschrift für Geschichte und Altertumskunde.
https://www.e-periodica.ch/cntmng?pid=b ... 91:91::421
https://www.google.com/search?q=Kolonia ... =947&dpr=1

In 1770 two Swiss from Basel Switzerland: Johann Jakob Thurneysen Sr. (1729-1784), and Jacques-Louis Pourtalès (1722-1814) financed the purchase four plantations in Grenada. (One Coffee and three Sugar). After the Fedon rebellion, Pourtales sold the plantations to an Englishman in 1797.

Both Swiss gave up their Swiss citizenship for British citizenship, and became powerful members of the British ‘Planters Club’.

Laurenz Vonwiller loved Grenada and was culturally more at home with the French Creoles on the island, and when they revolted against British rule in 1795, he became an agent of the French Creole Rebels, and supported their struggle. After the rebellion was crushed by the British, Laurenz was tried for treason and imprisoned from 1798 – 1800. For reasons still unclear to many local historians, he was pardoned and released while hundreds of his French Creole comrades were hung. He attempted to go back to St Gallen with his wife and was refused entry – based on what is written in his will. He returned to Grenada and died there in 1825.

It looks like he got marred just before he was charged with treason and jailed. The marriage agreement might have been written after his pardoned, and might have been filed in 1817 in the Registrar of the government office in Grenada. (That is still under investigation).

As I mentioned at the start of my post on here. It is said that Laurenz wrote a book of some kind of his involvement in the French Rebellion in Grenada, and I would like to know if there are any family of his - still around in St. Gallen Switzerland, who might know something about this! If, in fact, this story is true.

Bain wrote: ↑

Wed 25. Apr 2018, 03:12

As I mentioned at the start of my post on here. It is said that Laurenz wrote a book of some kind of his involvement in the French Rebellion in Grenada, and I would like to know if there are any family of his - still around in St. Gallen Switzerland, who might know something about this.

Sources: Stemmatologia Sangallensis and "Bürgerbuch der Stadt St.Gallen" (issues 1887-1960).

126 Christof (06.08.1728-15.11.1799) oo 1755 Ester Stauderin
..........177 Laurenz (05.08.1759-01.10.1825) oo 1790 Maria Anna Desuliers
....................197b Georg Ludwig (27.10.1793-?)
.............................nnn Georg Heinrich (1824-?) alive in 1887, dead in 1901 (no marriage/children mentioned, died in Trinidad)
.............................nnn Franz Adolf (1826-?) alive in 1887, dead in 1901 (no marriage/children mentioned, no further info)
.............................nnn Andreas (1833-?) alive in 1887, dead in 1901 (no marriage/children mentioned, no further info)
..........172 Georg (28.07.1762-27.07.1834)
....................no male descendants
..........170 Christof (30.03.1766-28.11.1809) oo 1794 Benigna Stehelin
....................208 Johann Ulrich (25.03.1799-27.01.1880) oo 1831 Maria Magdalena Appenzeller
.............................240 Johann Ulrich (30.11.1846-25.08.1928) oo 1877 Josefina Hug / merchant in Sydney
.......................................nnn Oskar Ulrich (18.02.1882-30.07.1972, Prof. of physics) oo 30.12.1907 Vera Bennett (d.1920)
................................................................................................................ooII 1925 Elsie Isabel Whiteman
.................................................1908 Gordon, no marriage/children mentioned in 1950, not mentioned (dead?) in 1960
....................214 Johann Joachim (30.03.1806-?) oo 1839 Albertine Appenzeller / dead in 1887
.............................no male descendants mentioned 1887

Conclusions:
1) No information on what happened to Laurenz' grandsons.
2) Descendants of his brother Christof (1766-1809) have moved to Australia. No information on this line after 1950, i.e. either there were no male descendants or there was just no further contact with St.Gallen.
3) To find relatives living in Switzerland today, one would have to go back at least one more generation.

Wolf wrote: ↑

Tue 24. Apr 2018, 21:57

Nico wrote: ↑

Tue 24. Apr 2018, 20:33

Es handelt sich bei dem Dokument um einen notariellen Heiratsverzrag vom 06.08.1817 zwischen den zwei zukünftigen Ehepartnern Laurent Vonweiler, Bürger von St. Gallen, Witwer von Marie Anne Desullier, von der er zwei Kinder hat, und Marie Magdelaine Faure la Chapelle, Witwe von Théodore Philippe Benoit, von dem sie keine Kinder hat.

Demnach wäre das Heiratsdatum in der Stemmatologia (29.08.1797) also falsch(?).

Nein, denn hier muss ich die Interpretation meiner Übersetzung des Dokuments nach nochmaliger Lektüre korrigieren. Das Datum 06.08.1817 bezeichnet den Zeitpunkt, zu dem das Dokument zu den Akten (welchen?) genommen wurde. Das Datum der Erstellung des Ehevertrags lautet auf den 21.08.1797.

Thanks Wolf and Nico - this was all very helpful to me.

I have one question for Wolf. You wrote the below earlier where you mentioned a daughter of Georg Ludwig Vonwiller born 1834 named Louise Maria Anna. Where can I get more information on her? Was this birth registration sent to St. Gallen, Switzerland? Any information on the possibility of accessing that information Online would be much appreciated.

Thanks

Wolf wrote: ↑

Mon 23. Apr 2018, 12:44

Quelle/Source: Stemmatologia Sangallensis (Erläuterungen/Explanations)

Vonwiller Georg Ludwig (27.10.1793 - 1835 in Trinidad), Kaufmann, Sohn des Laurenz (Nr.177) und der Maria Anna Desuliers.
oo 1823 [Heiratseintrag in Grenada: 28.10.1823]
Gabrielle d'Ey (?-?)
Kinder:
1824 Georg Heinrich [Taufeintrag in Grenada: * 30.11.1824 / ≈ 04.04.1825]
1826 Franz Adolf
1833 Andreas
1834 Louise Maria Anna

1836 - Gabrielle Vonwiller - née D’EY, widow of George Vonwiller posted an ad in Trinidad Port of Spain Newspaper.


1831- 2nd Wife of Laurenz Vonwiller - Maria Magdalena Faure la Chapelle Vonwiller NOW written Mary Madlane Vonweiller, is listed in local Grenadian newspaper. Not sure yet what year she died.

Bain wrote: ↑

Thu 26. Apr 2018, 01:58

Wolf. You wrote earlier where you mentioned a daughter of Georg Ludwig Vonwiller born 1834 named Louise Maria Anna. Where can I get more information on her? Was this birth registration sent to St. Gallen, Switzerland?

My only source is "Stemmatologia", the list of citizens of St.Gallen:Obviously this information came to St.Gallen - but how?

Baptisms abroad are occasionally listed in the St.Gallen baptismal register: in these cases the baptism was reproted to St.Gallen "officially" and was announced in the church. This would then usually give an exact date, not just a year. So I didn't really expect information in the St.Gallen baptismal register - but have checked the years in question: nothing .

If the father died in 1835 in Trinidad: could the two younger children be born (1833 & 1834) in Trinidad?

Bain wrote: ↑

Mon 23. Apr 2018, 03:21

It is said that he [Laurenz Vonwiller] wrote a book on his involvement in the French revolt against British rule in Grenada that I am trying to get a hold of. I am not certain if he sent it to St Gallen after he was tried by the British for his part in the French Rebellion on the island, or it is lost forever.

Bain wrote: ↑

Wed 25. Apr 2018, 03:12

He attempted to go back to St. Gallen with his wife and was refused entry - based on what is written in his will. He returned to Grenada and died there in 1825.

I had enquired at the St.Gallen City Archive: very helpful people there!

The only mention of Laurenz Vonwiller in the "Ratsprotokolle" (minutes of the magistrate's meetings) date 1792/4 and are related to his wife's citizenship (I'll have a look at this later). It would be useful to know the exact wording in his will: did he want to return prior to the uprising - or afterwards (in which case the mention in St.Gallen would be too early)?

After that there seems not to have been any direct contact between Vonwiller and the city administration. This afternoon I spent a couple of hours reading the "Missiven" (letters sent to the city administration) of 1798 (just as an example what to expect there): only letters from other administrations or reports from city representatives in other regions. I then stopped checking as the chances to find a private letter there have to be considered negligible.

So there is no indication that he had given up his citizenship - or was deprived of it. Also his son and grandchildren are still listed as citizens. Consequently there was no reason why he would have been denied return to St.Gallen by the city administration. How the family felt about him (an imprisoned revolutionary?) returning is a different matter: they could have told him to stay where he was. This is pure speculation, of course - which is why the exact wording in his will would be interesting.

Thank you Wolf for the copy of the doc. I know a little about what happened to Louisa Maria Anna. I am still looking into what happened to George Henry, Francis Adolphus, and Andreas. As you mentioned - and I agreed, Louisa Maria Anna and Andreas might have been born in Trinidad - not Grenada, which would explain why they are not in the births and Baptism records in Grenada.

I am working daily on trying to transcribe the pages of Laurenz Vonwiller's Will. Every day I am able to clear up a few more words. I will eventually get it all transcribed, and I will post it then.

This is what the pages look like:

Based on some of the records in Grenada and Trinidad that I am looking at, there seems to have been descendants of [George Ludwig (Louis) Vonwiller (b.Oct 27, 1793 - d.1835 Trinidad) -M- Oct 28,1823 Gabrelle d'Ey in Grenada] and Gabrelle d’Ey. I am still in the process of putting the pieces together.

• 1824 George Henry (Georg Heinrich) (b.Nov 30,1824 Grenada - d.1901 in Trinidad?)
• 1827 Francis Adolphus (Franz Adolf) (b.Mar 18,1827 Grenada - d.1901?)
• 1833 Andreas (b.1833 Trinidad - d.?) Male name? Andrew or Andy?
• 1834 Louise Maria Anna (b.1834 Trinidad - d.186X Grenada)

1819 - Ireland Grand Lodge of Freemasons of Ireland Membership Registers, 1733-1923
Listed: Geo Louis Von Waller
1760-1859 (Volume II) 1932 - Trinidad - Names and descriptions of British Passangers Embarked at the Port of Dove:
Contract Ticket Number:014638 - Von Wieller Frederick age 31- From Port of Spain Trinidad - heading Sierra Leone Africa as British Civil Servant 1946 - Names and descriptions of British Passangers Embarked at the Port of Southhampton bound F.W.I. - B.W.I and Venezuela (La Guaira)
Contract Ticket Number:77559 - Von Weiller Frederick age 46 heading back to Trinidad 1946 - Names and Descriptions of BRISISH Paggengers on ship "Cottica" arrival at Playmouth UK:
Von Weiller Frederick A. age 45, Civil Servant – Trinidad

Sometime in the late 1800s, the spelling of Vonwiller changed to Von Wyler:

List of Wills in Register in Grenada:
45/1910 - Francis Felex Joseph Von Wyler DoD - Aug 29,1909
64/1910 - Henry Alex Von Wyler
63/1927 - George Laurence Von Wyler (b.~1879/80 - d.1927)
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From Holy Innocent Anglican Church in St Andrew's:
From Marriage Register p. 86

No.170 Feb 17,1920 - George Lawrence Von Wyler, age 40 - living in Prospect St Andrew's married to Agnes Ceilia Wells,36 years old. Father of George - Henry Alexander McSween Von Wyler

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Since I can only make three attachments per post, I will add the other docs in another post

Files from the Grenada Von Wyler:
Trinidad:

Bain wrote: ↑

Fri 4. May 2018, 18:22

• 1824 George Henry (Georg Heinrich) (b.Nov 30,1824 Grenada - d.1901 in Trinidad?)
• 1827 Francis Adolphus (Franz Adolf) (b.Mar 18,1827 Grenada - d.1901?)

Just to avoid confusion: the information I gave above was "dead 1901", not "died 1901", i.e. died before 1901 ... unless the contact with the family was just lost before 1901, but family members were still alive nevertheless.

Bain wrote: ↑

Fri 4. May 2018, 18:22

Listed: Geo Louis Von Waller

I read "Von Weiller".

Bain wrote: ↑

Fri 4. May 2018, 18:22

1932 - Von Wieller Frederick age 31
1946 - Von Weiller Frederick age 46 heading back to Trinidad
1946 - Von Weiller Frederick A. age 45, Civil Servant - Trinidad

List of Wills in Register in Grenada:
1910 - Francis Felex Joseph Von Wyler DoD - Aug 29,1909
1910 - Henry Alex Von Wyler
1927 - George Laurence Von Wyler (b.~1879/80 - d.1927)

From Holy Innocent Anglican Church in St Andrew's Marriage Register
Feb 17,1920 - George Lawrence Von Wyler, age 40
>>>>>> Father of George - Henry Alexander McSween Von Wyler

So there seem to be indeed further descendants, not reported back to St.Gallen.