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Re: (von) Fels von St.Gallen SG

Posted: Mon 26. Dec 2016, 22:03
by Wolf
phco wrote:... i already have Peter Fels (1537-1604) and his daughter Elisabetha as ancestors, ...
Yes - I had noticed it - which is why I mentioned them ;).

Re: (von) Fels von St.Gallen SG

Posted: Wed 10. Jan 2018, 11:24
by phco
hello and best wishes for the new year

I add this
I have found these ancesters on family search
it is on my geneanet tree phcoste
https://gw.geneanet.org/phcoste?n=fels&oc=&p=gaspard

Gaspard Fels (1747-1823) * Francoise Rivier (1759-1834)
..... [siehe auch Angaben in der Stemmatologia Sangallensis]
David Fels (1719-1794) * Susanna Zollikofer (1717 St Gallen - 1787 St Gallen) (unknown parents)
..... [siehe auch Angaben in der Stemmatologia Sangallensis]
Peter Fels (1679-1752) * Regina Schlumpf (1689 St Gallen -1752 St Gallen) (unknown parents)
..... [siehe auch Angaben in der Stemmatologia Sangallensis]
David Fels (1638-1714) * Maria Scherer (1642-1717)
..... [siehe auch Angaben in der Stemmatologia Sangallensis]

anyone can help me about Susanna Zollikofer or Regina Schlumpf fathers/ancesters ?

thank you

Re: (von) Fels von St.Gallen SG

Posted: Fri 30. Mar 2018, 23:13
by Wolf
phco wrote:
Wed 10. Jan 2018, 11:24
Peter Fels (1679-1752) * Regina Schlumpf (1689 St Gallen -1752 St Gallen) (unknown parents)
I have added Regina Schlumpf's parents and siblings here (note her year of birth: 1683, not 1689) - with links to earlier generations.

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And please, keep in mind that further discussions on Schlumpf should take place in the Schlumpf topic only.

Re: (von) Fels von St.Gallen SG

Posted: Sat 31. Mar 2018, 12:00
by Wolf
phco wrote:
Wed 10. Jan 2018, 11:24
David Fels (1719-1794) * Susanna Zollikofer (1717 St Gallen - 1787 St Gallen) (unknown parents)
I have added Susanna Zollikofer's parents and siblings here - with links to earlier generations.

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And please, keep in mind that further discussions on Zollikofer should take place in the Zollikofer topic only.

Fels 43 David (1638-1714)

Posted: Fri 6. Apr 2018, 22:24
by Wolf
Quelle/Source: Stemmatologia Sangallensis (Erläuterungen/Explanations)

Fels David (02.01.1638-18.12.1714), Sohn des Heinrich (Nr.39) und der Ottilia Stauder.
oo 05.11.1661
Maria Scherrer (18.03.1642-29.01.1717), Tochter des Kaspar (Nr.17) und der Maria Manhardt.
Kinder
12.01.1663 Heinrich (Nr.53)
29.10.1665 Maria, oo Hans Joachim am Stein (Nr.3)
17.01.1667 Kindlein
18.08.1668 Kaspar (Nr.51)
22.10.1670 Sabina Dorothea, oo Herrmann Schlumpf (Nr.156)
04.11.1673 Peter (Nr.52)
12.10.1676 Ottilia, +04.01.1708
23.12.1679 Kleofea Barbara, oo Kapsar Zollikofer (Nr.351)

Anmerkungen:
Mitglied der Schneiderzunft
Diverse Ämter 1689 bis 1714

Re: (von) Fels von St.Gallen SG

Posted: Sat 7. Apr 2018, 17:02
by phco
thank you for all

Fels 52 Peter (1673-1752)

Posted: Sat 7. Apr 2018, 18:56
by Wolf
Quelle/Source: Stemmatologia Sangallensis (Erläuterungen/Explanations)

Fels Peter (04.11.1673-02.01.1752 [stirbt 2 Tage vor seinem Bruder Caspar]), Sohn des David (Nr.43) und der Maria Scherrer.
oo 13.03.1711
Regina Schlumpf (25.04.1683-17.02.1752), Tochter des Ruprecht (Nr.120) und der Barbara Zillin (Nr.26).
Kinder
25.01.1712 Maria Barbara, ooI Hans Konrad Fels (Nr.62), ooII Kaspar Wegelin (Nr.21)
16.04.1713 Maria, +20.07.1672
07.12.1714 Katharina Barbara, +03.03.1715
17.10.1719 David (Nr.68)
15.04.1721 Ruprecht (Nr.70)

Fels 68 David (1719-1794)

Posted: Sat 7. Apr 2018, 19:14
by Wolf
Quelle/Source: Stemmatologia Sangallensis (Erläuterungen/Explanations)

Fels David (17.10.1719-25.05.1794), Sohn des Peter (Nr.52) und der Regina Schlumpf.
oo 27.06.1745
Susanna Zollikofer (24.02.1717-30.03.1787), Tochter des Johannes (Nr.297) und der Saara Kunkler.
Kinder
03.07.1746 Peter, +02.01.1818
05.01.1748 Kaspar (Nr.78)
04.09.1749 Johannes, +31.01.1798
21.03.1751 Adrian, +28.09.1783
23.03.1753 David (Nr.69b), +17.09.1810
11.07.1754 Saara, +05.01.1813
26.01.1756 Kaspar Erasmus (Nr.82)
23.04.1761 Anna Regina, oo Peter Fels (Nr.79)

Anmerkungen:
Mitglied der Schneiderzunft
Diverse Ämter 1741 bis 1783

Fels 78 Caspar (1748-1823)

Posted: Sun 8. Apr 2018, 12:30
by Wolf
Quelle/Source: Stemmatologia Sangallensis (Erläuterungen/Explanations)

Fels Caspar (05.01.1748-__.11.1823 in Lausanne), Sohn des David (Nr.68) und der Susanna Zollikofer.
oo 11.03.1781 in Genf
Francisca Philippine Rivier (22.04.1759-17.10.1837), Tochter des Theodor von Genf und der Jeanne Françoise de Vilette.
Kinder
07.02.1782 Johannna Franciska (* in Genf), oo 07.09.1800 Charles Emil Noel Mercier de Lausanne
24.11.1783 Johanna Susanna Louise (* in Genf), oo 13.01.1807 Claude J. Jaques Beauvet ... de Boudry, Comté de Nauchâtel
31.10.1785 Dan. Philipp Jacob, + London 16.10.1804
13.01.1788 Susanna Dorothea, + Lausanne 06.05.1876
28.03.1791 Sabina Louise, oo Nov.1817 Joh. André van der Muellen von ...... in Geldern
28.03.1791 Saara Anna, + 14.04.1791
06.03.1793 Anna Saara Sophia
07.05.1798 Kaspar Anton Theodor, +1799

Anmerkungen:
Mitglied der Gesellschaft zum Notenstein
Prediger
Diverse Ämter 1769 bis 1801

Differences with some data

Posted: Sun 8. Apr 2018, 12:42
by Wolf
Dear Philippe,

when you compare the data I have copied from Stemmatologia Sangallensis (above) with your data on geneanet, you will find several discrepancies. Some can possibly explained
- difference between date of birth and date of baptism;
- for events not in St.Gallen: difference between the actual event and when it was announced in the church in St.Gallen (and noted in the church records here).
In the handwriting often "Jan" and "Jun" cannot be distinguished, the problem appearing less often with "Mar" and Mai".

I do not know which sources you have evaluated, but it should be kept in mind, that "Stemmatologia" is a secondary source. If in doubt, the original sources should be checked. The St.Gallen church records are supposed to become freely available on the website of the St.Gallen State Archive in May 2018.