Zumstein von Lungern OW

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Zumstein von Lungern OW

Post by Thomy » Sat 10. Nov 2012, 23:08

Um 1880 wanderte die Familie Johann und Karolina Zumstein-Gasser nach Amerika aus. Über Nachkommen ist nichts bekannt. Vielleicht weiss jemand etwas über diese Familie, vor allem auch, wohin in Amerika sie gereist ist.

Folgendes ist bekannt:

Zumstein, Johann, von Lungern, in Giswil, geb. in Giswil 21.1.1851
Eltern: Alois Zumstein, Anna Maria Schrackmann
oo 20.10.1876 mit Gasser, Katharina Karolina, von Lungern, geb. in Lungern 8.4.1849
Eltern: Johann Gasser, Anna Maria Zumstein

Kinder: in Giswil geboren
1. Zumstein, Pius; 21.10.1877 bis 5.3.1878
2. Zumstein, Karolina Bertha, geb. 9.12.1878, oo in Amerika 2.8.1897 mit von Zuben, Anton, wohl aus Kerns/Obwalden
3. Zumstein, Kunigunda Euphrosyna, geb. 26.4.1880


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Re: Zumstein von Lungern OW

Post by Wolf » Mon 19. Nov 2012, 10:29

Thank you, Carole Lubbers, for the following information:
I did a search for the 1880 US census. There really was no match.
The close one is a John b. 1850 France, wife Makdalena 38, Maria 2. They were in Cincinnati, Hamilton Co., Ohio. There was a very large German population in Cincinnati. Quite a few Zumstein surnames in various places, none that match the info you sent.
I searched for 1900 US census for Anton von Zuben and there is no match for the name Anton, but other von Zuben families.
Then I looked at WWI draft registration cards for Anton, assuming he was born between 1875-1900 and there was no match.
Carole in Georgia, USA, across the pond :-)


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Re: Zumstein von Lungern OW

Post by Wolf » Mon 19. Nov 2012, 10:40

Thank you, Nina Truttmann, for the following information:
In the 1900 census a John Zumstein resided 905 Illinois Avenue, East St. Louis Township, St. Clair County, Illinois. A divorced man, he was 55 years of age, born May, 1845 Switzerland, married 12 years, (1876) and immigrated in 1883. This might be your Johann Zumstein. St. Louis and St. Clair Co. were popular destinations for many Swiss who embarked from Le Havre, landing in New Orleans, traveling up the Mississippi river to St. Louis. This is the route taken by my Trutmann family from Küssnacht am Rigi, Schwyz.

In St. Louis as well 1900 were Herman and Daniel Zumstein.

Also 1900 census, Anton von Zubin (sic) age 63 born 1836 Switzerland resided with wife Margaretha in St. Louis. Maybe Anton von Zuben, the elder.

Land Ownership map recorded in 1884 for a John Zumstein in Cinncinatti, Hamilton County, Ohio.


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Re: Zumstein von Lungern OW

Post by Thomy » Mon 19. Nov 2012, 10:59

Hallo Wolf

Besten Dank für die Antworten.

Ich bin nun im Internet auf eine Seite von Auswanderern von Giswil nach Brasilien, Colônia Helvetia, gestossen. Dort ist eine Familie Joao Zumstein mit Carolina Gasser vermerkt, mit drei Kindern, zwei Töchtern (beide mit einem von Zuben verheiratet) und einem Sohn. Die Familie erreichte Brasilien 1885. Entweder ist der Begriff Amerika (im Stammbuch Giswil als Zielort) etwas weit gefasst oder die Familie reiste zuerst nach Amerika.
Giswiler Familien aus Brasilien sind zum Teil erforscht und liegen in Buchform vor, jedoch nicht die Zumstein und die von Zuben (aus Alpnach).

Vielleicht weiss jemand über diese Auswandererfamilie Bescheid. In Brasilien scheint es noch zahlreiche Zumstein zu geben.

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Re: Zumstein von Lungern OW

Post by Urs_A » Thu 29. Nov 2012, 20:10

Ja, Johann Zumstein-Gasser ist 1883 oder 1885 mit Frau u. 3 Kindern von Giswil nach Brasilien ausgewandert.
Ein weiteres Kind, Werner Zumstein, wurde ca. 1886 in Jundiay, SP geboren und hat sich 1913 in Campinas, SP mit Tereza Gut verheiratet.
Die Familie hat viele Nachkommen, jedoch meines Wissens kaum mehr mit Nachname Zumstein. Sondern von Zuben, Amstalden, Ambiel, etc., die in der Umgebung von Campinas und Indaiatuba wohnen.



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Josephine/Josepha/Johanna/Mary Johanna Zumstein

Post by lindataniguchi » Mon 23. May 2016, 03:37

Sister Mary Johanna Zumstein was a Benedictine Nun at Colton, Washington. She was born September 13, 1850 in Lungren, Obwalden, Switzerland and died on July 31, 1926. She is buried in Cottonwood, Idaho at St. Gertrude's cemetery. I would like to obtain information on her family and find out who her parents were, brothers and sisters, etc. I believe her birth name was Josephine or Josepha and that Mary Johanna was a name she chose when she came to the USA. I have seen a Josephine/Josepha Baptista Zumstein somewhere in my search but don't know now where I found that information. Thank you very much for any information you may have! I would really appreciate knowing who her birth parents are.



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Zumstein

Post by lindataniguchi » Tue 15. Nov 2016, 08:27

Looking for information on Anton and Karolina Schwandi Zumstein of Lungern, Switzerland. Children are Josepha, Karolina, Rosa, Anton, Peter, Johann Katharina, Anna Maria, Josef Ignaz and Juliana.



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Re: Zumstein

Post by Wolf » Tue 15. Nov 2016, 10:46

Could you, please, specify more clearly: are the parents (different conventions exist - which does apply?)
Anton Zumstein and Karolina Schwandi (with children Zumstein)
or
Anton Schwandi and Karolina Zumstein (with children Schwandi)?

No dates known? In this case at least the estimated time frame should be mentioned.

BTW: Schwandi is not listed in the Register of Swiss Surnames as Swiss name - there are Schwendi von Saanen BE. Depending on the time frame a marriage between a reformed Bern and a catholic Obwalden person would be rather unlikely, however.


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Re: Zumstein

Post by lindataniguchi » Tue 15. Nov 2016, 18:09

I have Anton Zumstein born 1816 and Karolina Schwandi born 10 Oct 1823. It then says on the paper I have that she had siblings? Karolina born 1847, married 1874 to Niklaus Doni. Rosa born 1848, married no date to Josef Fanger. Anton born 1850, married 1880, died 1922. Peter born 1851, married 1892, died 1896. Peter 1851, married 1892, died 1896. Johann 1852, married 1886, died 1938. Katharina born 1854, married 1879 to Josef Diener. Anna Maria born 1855, married 1877 to Johan Fanger. Josef Ignaz born 1856 married 1882, died 1934. Juliana born 1860, died 1864. I received this information from Edward Zumstein in 2010 via email and this is how he had it worded. It says siblings for Karolina Schwandi but it must be children of hers and Anton Zumstein?? I would say it was Anton Zumstein and Karolina Zumstein for the married name. Isn't Schwandi an area in Switzerland, not a name?? Thank you!



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Re: Zumstein

Post by lindataniguchi » Tue 15. Nov 2016, 20:32

Sorry I forgot to say that Josepha Zumstein was born on May 21, 1859 and died November 1, 1926, according to the information Ed Zumstein sent me. She is the one I would like more information on and would like to know if she is the same Sister Mary Johanna Zumstein, Benedictine nun, Lungren, Obwalden, Switzerland born September 13, 1850 and died July 31, 1926 in Cottonwood, Idaho USA. I am thinking this is probably the same person and Ed Zumstein's records from Gnenalogie der familien Zumstein der Schweiz 1985 Heinrich Zumstein von Mellingan.??



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Re: Zumstein von Lungern OW

Post by Wolf » Wed 16. Nov 2016, 00:03

Sorry - this is beginning to confuse me :?. Let me summarize in tabular format: we have
Anton Zumstein born 1816 and Karolina Schwandi(?) born 10 Oct 1823 with the following children (obviously not siblings):
1847 Karolina, married 1874 to Niklaus Doni;
1848 Rosa, married no date to Josef Fanger;
1850 Anton, married 1880, died 1922;
1851 Peter, married 1892, died 1896;
1852 Johann, married 1886, died 1938;
1854 Katharina, married 1879 to Josef Diener;
1855 Anna Maria, married 1877 to Johan Fanger;
1856 Josef Ignaz married 1882, died 1934;
1860 Juliana, died 1864.
We further have
1859 Josepha (May 21), died 01 Nov 1926 - supposedly another child of Anton Zumstein and Karolina Schwandi(?) - correct?
We further have
1850 Sister Mary Johanna (Sep 13), died 31 Jul 1926.
Well - looking at the discrepancy of dates, I would certainly not assume Josepha (1859) and Sister Mary Johanna (1850) could be the same person.

Do I understand correctly that the data on the Anton Zumstein & Karolina Schwandi(?) family are taken from Zumstein Heinrich: Aus der Geschichte der Gemeinde Mellingen. Aus der Geschichte einer Kleinstadt in den Jahren 1700–1900. Mellingen 1988, 396 S. (incl. Stammtafel der Familie Zumstein von Mellingen, 1547–1912)?

Now - there are several lines Zumstein, including citizens of Lungern OW and citizens of Mellingen AG - both existing since before 1800. Mellingen is about 100 km from Lungern - so whilst a connection between these two lines cannot be excluded, I would not consider this the most likely assumption.

Schwandi: as I mentioned, this is not a name mentioned in the Register of Swiss Surnames. There are a few hamlets Schwandi - more likely (if you are looking for a community) it would be Schwändi.


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Re: Zumstein von Lungern OW

Post by Thomy » Wed 16. Nov 2016, 14:20

To the Zumstein Family I can make the following remarks:

First of all: This Zumstein Family is from Lungern, but lived in Giswil, a small village just nearby Lungern. Schwandi is not a Family Name, it means the part of where Caroline is from: Schwändi, between Sarnen and Giswil.

Anton Zumstein (16.2.1816-16.9.1897), son of Johann Zumstein and Anna Maria Enz, married 11.1.1848 with
Carolina Enz (10.10.1823-24.4.1912), from Giswil, daughter of Johann Enz and Anna Maria Enz
children:
1. Karolina * 22.5.1848 married 1874 Niklaus Dönni, emigrated 1887 to Brazil
2. Rosa * 8.5.1849, + 15.9.1891 married 1877 Josef Fanger, emigrated 1884 to Brazil
3. Josef Anton * 4.5.1850
4. Peter Josef * 25.9.1851
5. Johann Josef * 24.11.1852, + 23.4.1938 married 1886 Ignatia Berchtold
6. Anna Maria Theresia * 11.8.1854 married 1877 Johann Fanger, emigrated 1884 to Brazil
7. Josef Ignaz * 16.7.1856
8. Katharina * 3.1.1858 married Johann Diener (1855-1934), emigrated 1884 to Brazil
9. Josefa Regina * 22.5.1859
10. Juliana * 5.12.1860

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Re: Zumstein von Lungern OW

Post by Wolf » Wed 16. Nov 2016, 15:01

Thank you, Thomas, for your clarification and additional information.

The open question remains: Sister Mary Johanna Zumstein, * Lungern 13.09.1850, and most likely given a different name at baptism.

Does anyone have access to the Lungern baptismal records and could check that date?


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Re: Zumstein von Lungern OW

Post by Thomy » Sat 28. Jan 2017, 23:35

To Sister Maria Johanna Zumstein:

Zumstein, Maria Josefa, born 10th of Sept 1850, died 31st of July 1926
Parents: Zumstein, Josef Ignaz; Amgarten, Anna Maria
In 1874 entry into the monastery St. Andreas Sarnen as Sister Maria Johanna, moved 1882 to the USA, founded the Convents St. Andrew's in Uniontown and St. Scholasita's in Colton, Mother Priory 1882-1899.

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Re: Zumstein von Lungern OW

Post by lindataniguchi » Thu 23. Mar 2017, 14:43

Hello - I have been in touch with you before and just have a question to ask regarding the Zumstein family of Lungren, Obwalden. Someone had said that some of the Zumstein family had changed their surname to names like Zuben, Amstalden, Ambiel, those that lived around Campinas and Indaiatuba (sp?). Could one of the names they changed to be Ameling possibly? Is there any information Benedictine nuns who went into the monestary at a very young age? Do the monestarys themselves have records of the nuns being there and information on each nun? I am referring to Mary Josefa Zumstein, born 1850 or 1851. Thank you for any help you can give me on her! Linda Hutchins Taniguchi, St. Maries, Idaho



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