Gügi von Zuben TG

[Wolf]

Hanß Jorg Gugi wird am 27.09.1700 in Altnau getauft als Sohn des Hanß Jorg Gugi und der Anna Schmidhauser. Paten sind Jacob Nageli und Anna Engelin (dem Schreiber sind die Umlaut-Punkte offensichtlich unsympatisch ). Der Geburtsort verschwindet tw. im Falz - das "bn" dürfte für Zub[e]n stehen, das zur Pfarrei Altnau gehörte. Komplette Seite siehe unten.

Im Zusammenhang mit der Heirat des Sohnes Barthelemy 1769 wird beim Taufeintrag angemerkt:

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1769 war dieser laut übersandten Attestaths Capitain Lieut[nant] unter dem Schweizer Regiment der H[ochwürdigen] Gen[eral] Staaten in Holland. War verheurathet mit der sel[igen] Jeanne Therese Rees [wohl Rais von Delemont] de Delsbourg [Delsberg / Delémont] Evechè de Basle. Von welcher ein Sohn namens [#]

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Barthelemy Gugy, cop[uliert] 1769, d[en] 16. Febr, mit: Jeanne Elisabeth Teissier, née à Paris, fille de Monsieur Guillaume Teissier, Banquier, etabli à Paris, né[e] à Andaze(?), et de Dame Elisabeth Barthelemy, son epouse, née à Mompelier [Montpelier].
Diese copulation wurde vollzogen zu Paris in der Capell der HHhh General Staaten von Hhh [hochwürdigem Herrn] De La Broue, Chapellain de La Chapelle de Leur Nantes Paissanes.
Was mich hier stutzig macht, ist der Familienname der Schwiegermutter: identisch mit dem Vornamen des Bräutigams?

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[griffy]

Monsieur Guillaume Teissier, Banquier, (..) et de Dame Elisabeth Barthelemy, son epouse

Wahrscheinlich identisch mit diesen Leuten : «père et mère protestants» !

Eine Todesmeldung für Guillaume Teissier. Die Ortschaft ist offensichtlich Anduze.

Weiss man, wie Barth. Gügi gestorben ist? Hier wäre eine interessante Meldung aus einem Buch, das ich bei Geneanet gefunden habe:

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Conrad Gugy, Bruder von Barthélemy :

son of Hans George Gugi, a French speaking Swiss officer serving in the Dutch army, and Thérèse Reis

(...)

By an inter vivos deed of gift for services rendered, which was drawn up on 13 Jan. 1786, Gugy had left a life interest in his seigneuries, movables, and immovables to Elizabeth Wilkinson, who lived in his manor-house, and all his properties passed to her. It was intended that after her death they should go to Gugy’s brother Barthélemy, whose son Louis* in fact inherited them, Barthélemy having predeceased her.

Quelle: Dictionary of Canadian Biography, Volume IV (1771-1800)

[Wolf]

Vielen Dank für diese interessanten Ergänzungen, griffy!

Der Eintrag von 1748 bestätigt den Namen Marie Elisabeth Barthelemi: ist Barthelemi wirklich ihr Mädchennamen - oder ist kein Nachname angegeben und es gibt Barthelemi auch als Vornamen für Mädchen?

Die Tochter ist also 1748 in die Gemeinschaft "Nouvelles Catholiques" eingetreten, die sich 1667 in Rouen niederließ und zum Ziel hatte, die Ausbildung von Mädchen der reformierten Religion zu unterstützen. War das eine Art Internat? Auf jeden Fall ein (für mich) ungewöhnlicher Name für eine reformierte Institution.

Laut familysearch wird Barthelemy Gugy am 07.02.1737 in Paris geboren und verstirbt am 19.04.1797 in der Pfarrei Yamachiche, Saint-Maurice, Quebec, Canada - keine Angabe zur Todesursache.

Könntest Du mir, bitte, den französischen Bucheintrag auf Deutsch zusammenfassen?

[griffy]

1) Barthélemy ist wirklich ein verbreiteter Nachname.

2) "Nouvelles Catholiques" war ein Kloster in Rouen für die Ausbildung und (Zwangs-)bekehrung von ev. reformierten Mädchen. Bei ihrer Entlassung waren sie "neue Katholikinnen".

3)

Am 13. Dezember 1799 berichtet ihm* Kapitän Jean Jacques Bolle, der ihm jeden Freitag treu eine Nachricht schickt, um ihn über die Angelegenheiten seines Londoner Büros zu informieren, dass er über den Marquis Charles Joseph de Beaupoil Saint Aulaire «ein Kanu mit einer wilden Familie, das eine perfekte Nachahmung ihrer Art zu reisen ist», ein Geschenk von Frau Witwe Jeanne Elisabeth Gugy, geborene Teissier, deren Mann «kurz nach seiner Ankunft in Kanada an Apoplexie gestorben war», erhalten hat. Es dauerte zwei Monate, bis er das Modell** erhielt, da das Eis jegliche Kommunikation unterbrach.

* Charles Daniel de Meuron

Übersetzt mit www.DeepL.com/Translator (kostenlose Version)

«Die Geschichte der Sammlungen des ethnografischen Museums Neuenburg (MEN) geht auf das 18. Jahrhundert zurück. Die ersten Stücke entstammen dem Cabinet d’histoire naturelle des Generals Charles Daniel de Meuron, die dieser 1795 der Stadt übergab.»

** Das Modell dieses Kanus wurde wiederentdeckt. Foto.

[JosephSmith]

I am very grateful for everyone's help and kindness. There is so much valuable information in the documents you all generously shared with me. Thank you! The documents about the Barthelemy family, in particular, were fascinating to read.

I made two other discoveries I want to share with you about the Gugi family, but I cannot seem to upload them [see below]. They are taken from the parish register of the Reformed Church in Altnau.

1) I found a record of the Baptism of Hans Conrad Gugi from October of 1735. Unfortunately, the record can barely be read. It is at the very bottom of the page on the right-hand side.

2) I found a record of the Baptism of Bartholomew Gugi on 1 January 1737.

The records show Jeanne Therese Rees/Rais was from Delsberg/Delemont in the former Prince-Bishopric of Basel. Now, Delsberg/Delemont is part of the Canton of Jura. Unfortunately, the parish registers of Delsberg/Delemont can only be consulted at a FamilySearch Affiliate Library. I spent most of Saturday morning studying the parish register looking a record of Jeanne Therese's Baptism, but I could not find one. There is no searchable index nor have the parish registers been indexed either. It was very slow going. The name Rees/Rais is quite common in the town, but I could not find a record of Jeanne Therese's Baptism there. I checked from 1695 to 1720. It is possible that I missed it, but I checked very slowly and carefully.

[griffy]

In case you don't know about it, there's a "Genealogical circle of the former bishopric of Basel". The members have been indexing the parish church books for years and you can find a simple search engine on the website. A more advanced search engine is also available.

Unfortunately the whole website is in French, and you won't be able to get detailed results unless you're a member of that genealogical society. Nevertheless, it can point you in the right direction. I didn't find any matching Jeanne Thérèse Reis/Rais in Delémont, but maybe I missed something. It's also possible that she was born elsewhere and only originated from Delsberg.

[JosephSmith]

In case you don't know about it, there's a "Genealogical circle of the former bishopric of Basel". The members have been indexing the parish church books for years and you can find a simple search engine on the website. A more advanced search engine is also available.

Unfortunately the whole website is in French, and you won't be able to get detailed results unless you're a member of that genealogical society. Nevertheless, it can point you in the right direction. I didn't find any matching Jeanne Thérèse Reis/Rais in Delémont, but maybe I missed something. It's also possible that she was born elsewhere and only originated from Delsberg.

Thank you for checking this index of the former Prince-Bishopric of Basel for me. It is a fascinating resource to explore. I spent some today studying it and checking for a possible match, but to no avail.

I think you are correct: the family of Jeanne Thérèse Reis/Rais was originally from Delsberg/Delémont, but she herself was born elsewhere. According to the Register of Swiss Surnames, the name Rais is also found in the towns of Courroux, Courtételle, Develier, and Vermes. Alas, all of these towns are in the Canton of Jura. Their parish registers can only be accessed at a Family History Center or a FamilySearch Affiliate Library. Trying to uncover Jeanne Thérèse's will be rather slow going, to say the least.

[griffy]

1) I found a record of the Baptism of Hans Conrad Gugi from October of 1735. Unfortunately, the record can barely be read. It is at the very bottom of the page on the right-hand side.

I assume you mean this record.

From what we can see, we're mainly dealing with protestant families (Gügi, Teissier). What are the odds that "Johanna Rees" from Delémont was born into a protestant family too? Delémont and canton Jura is mostly catholic. What if we're looking for her baptism in the wrong place?

[Wolf]

For further discussions on Rais von Delément JU, please, use the new topic.

[Wolf]

I made two other discoveries I want to share with you about the Gugi family. They are taken from the parish register of the Reformed Church in Altnau.
1) I found a record of the Baptism of Hans Conrad Gugi from October of 1735. Unfortunately, the record can barely be read. It is at the very bottom of the page on the right-hand side.
2) I found a record of the Baptism of Bartholomew Gugi on 1 January 1737.

Here there are the two baptismal entries - unfortunately partially difficult (to say the least) to read - especially the one from 1735, which is out of focus in addition to parts "hiding" in the fold:

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Johannes Conrad, son of Georg "in holländischen Diensten" and Johanna Rees, was obviously born & baptised abroad - there is a mention of a "Taufschein". After the mother's name (Johanna Rees) I read "Relig: ...." - does that imply she was not reformed (see 1737 as well)?

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This is better to read. Bartholom. was also born/baptised not in Altnau - any proposals about where? Again there is a remark after the mother's name: "...tific" - possibly indicating her denomination?

[griffy]

This is better to read. Bartholom. was also born/baptised not in Altnau - any proposals about where?

Am linken Rand lese ich:

d. 1. Jan.
1737
durchgestrichen: Tournaÿ
[He]rzogenbusch getauft

Und dann bei Familysearch :

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Quelle

Die Taufe von Johann Conrad Gugy war ‒ wie in der Literatur vermutet ‒ im Jahre 1734 zu suchen:

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Quelle

Both baptisms (at the Grote Kerk) can be found here as well.

We can thus put to rest the assertions that Bartholomeus was born in Paris or Conrad in the Hague.

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Again there is a remark after the mother's name: "...tific" - possibly indicating her denomination?

I don't think so. It simply indicates that the pastor made a correction :

Johanna Theresia Rees
rectific[atio] : von Dellspurg

Maybe the pastor first wrote "Dellpurg" and then added the "s"...

[griffy]

For the record, a couple of documents I discovered in the Geneanet library:

Le bulletin des recherches historiques (Volume 23), Octobre 1817, No 10, pp. 312-314 :

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Index and dictionary of Canadian history, 1911, p. 157 :

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[Wolf]

Laut Taufbuch 's-Hertogenbosch is Bartholomas Gugy am 01.01.1737 geboren.

Laut Le bulletin des recherches historiques ist Barthelemy Gugy am 07.02.1737 in Paris geboren.

Laut Haushaltungsregister Altnau TG ist Bartholomäus Gügÿ am 07.01.1737 geboren - das "in Frankreich" bezieht sich wohl eher auf seinen Aufenthaltsort, nicht seinen Geburtsort:

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Bei sich widersprechenden Angaben sollte man wohl dem Taufbuch am ehesten Vertrauen schenken.

[JosephSmith]

This is better to read. Bartholom. was also born/baptised not in Altnau - any proposals about where?

Am linken Rand lese ich:

d. 1. Jan.
1737
durchgestrichen: Tournaÿ
[He]rzogenbusch getauft

Und dann bei Familysearch :

Bartholomaeus_Gugy_1737.png
Quelle

Die Taufe von Johann Conrad Gugy war ‒ wie in der Literatur vermutet ‒ im Jahre 1734 zu suchen:

Johann_Cornrad_Gugy_1734-10-05.png
Quelle

Both baptisms (at the Grote Kerk) can be found here as well.
We can thus put to rest the assertions that Bartholomeus was born in Paris or Conrad in the Hague.
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Again there is a remark after the mother's name: "...tific" - possibly indicating her denomination?

I don't think so. It simply indicates that the pastor made a correction:

Johanna Theresia Rees
rectific[atio] : von Dellspurg

Maybe the pastor first wrote "Dellpurg" and then added the "s"...

Thank you for these additional details! I enjoyed studying the Dutch Baptism records of the Gugi sons.

I am deeply grateful to you and Wolf for all of your kindness and assistance with this project.